Well, I for one felt it was nessecary to replace all content with copyvio notices

Send Wikipedia-l mailing list submissions to wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikipedia-l-request(a)Wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikipedia-l-owner(a)Wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wikipedia-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Request for a new Wikipedia (James R. Johnson) 2. Re: Request for a new Wikipedia (Mark Williamson) 3. Re: Starting a new wiki (Ray Saintonge) 4. RE: Request for a new Wikipedia (Alfio Puglisi) 5. Re: Request for a new Wikipedia (Mark Williamson) 6. Re: Request for a new Wikipedia (Anthere) 7. Re: Re: Request for a new Wikipedia (Mark Williamson) 8. RE: Re: Request for a new Wikipedia (James R. Johnson) 9. toki pona (Angela_) 10. Re: toki pona (Tim Starling) 11. Re: toki pona (Mark Williamson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:58:04 -0400 From: "James R. Johnson" <modean52(a)comcast.net> Subject: RE: [Wikipedia-l] Request for a new Wikipedia To: <wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org> Message-ID: <20040921195810.3543C1AC0252(a)mail.wikimedia.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I tried Chinese, but didn't get too far. I stuck with Anglo-Saxon,

French, Latin, and English. I'm best in German and Anglo-Saxon (speaking, writing), then French, then Latin. English is my first language. How

you, node? James -----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ray Saintonge Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:22 PM To: Mark Williamson; wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for a new Wikipedia Mark Williamson wrote: connectivity. Your fluency in traditional Chinese, Gothic, and now Sicilian is a remarkable feat that few of us can duplicate. In the absence of such abilities I would tend to suggest that we wait for a request to be made by those who would like to work in Sicilian. Ec _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:19:25 -0700 From: Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for a new Wikipedia To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Message-ID: <849f98ed04092113194d086ac(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Question, when did I claim fluency in Gothic? --node On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 12:21:30 -0700, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net>

> > > Mark Williamson wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >The ISO 639 committee has *just* (literally) approved a code for the > >Sicilian language. > > > >Sicilian has over 6 million speakers, and there is good internet

------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:25:14 -0700 From: Ray Saintonge &lt;saintonge(a)telus.net&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Starting a new wiki To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;41508E2A.1090604(a)telus.net&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Yann Forget wrote: For the relevant Indian law see http://www.naukri.com/lls/copyright/section5.htm#22 For the relationship to US law see [[Itar-Tass Russian News Agency v. Russian Kurier, Inc.]] in Wikipedia. Ec ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:44:07 +0200 (MEST) From: Alfio Puglisi &lt;puglisi(a)arcetri.astro.it&gt; Subject: RE: [Wikipedia-l] Request for a new Wikipedia To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0409212340240.24544@zeus> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII AFAIK, sicilian today has been blended a lot with Italian. The average sicilian hears Italian on television and writes in italian, not sicilian. I'm sure most of them have no idea of how Sicilian is written (I have no idea myself, but that doesn't count). It's not taught in schools, it's mostly oral tradition. Alfio On Tue, 21 Sep 2004, James R. Johnson wrote: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:14:07 -0700 From: Mark Williamson &lt;node.ue(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for a new Wikipedia To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;849f98ed040921151470b01c3c(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII There are plenty of Sicilian-language websites online, in fact there are more than there are for Sardinian which is much much much more different from standard Italian. As far as how its written, see http://www.linguasiciliana.org/lsu.htm (lingua siciliana unificata). There are more books available in Sicilian than there are in Sardinian as well, including a few translations of popular literature. Also, Sicilian is, along with Italian, a co-official language of the Sicilian autonomous region of Italy. --node On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:44:07 +0200 (MEST), Alfio Puglisi &lt;puglisi(a)arcetri.astro.it&gt; wrote: > > AFAIK, sicilian today has been blended a lot with Italian. The average > sicilian hears Italian on television and writes in italian, not

------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:30:16 +0200 From: Anthere &lt;anthere9(a)yahoo.com&gt; Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Request for a new Wikipedia To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Message-ID: &lt;4150AB78.5060303(a)yahoo.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do you have perhaps 5 editors able to write and read sicilian AND interested in starting that wikipedia ? ant Mark Williamson a écrit: > Hi all, > > The ISO 639 committee has *just* (literally) approved a code for the > Sicilian language. > > Sicilian has over 6 million speakers, and there is good internet

------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:22:31 -0700 From: Mark Williamson &lt;node.ue(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Request for a new Wikipedia To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;849f98ed0409211622527475a8(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I could probably get some together, but why is that nessecary? Most of the Wikipedias we have started with one or two users. The Cornish Wiki is growing at a very surprising pace, and it only has two editors. --node On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:30:16 +0200, Anthere &lt;anthere9(a)yahoo.com&gt; wrote: > Do you have perhaps 5 editors able to write and read sicilian AND > interested in starting that wikipedia ? > > ant > > Mark Williamson a écrit: > > > > Hi all, > > > > The ISO 639 committee has *just* (literally) approved a code for the > > Sicilian language. > > > > Sicilian has over 6 million speakers, and there is good internet

------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:09:54 -0400 From: "James R. Johnson" &lt;modean52(a)comcast.net&gt; Subject: RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Request for a new Wikipedia To: "'Mark Williamson'" &lt;node.ue(a)gmail.com&gt;om>, &lt;wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org&gt; Message-ID: &lt;20040922021039.247641AC028C(a)mail.wikimedia.org&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ditto Anglo-Saxon. There are at least 5-10 core people I can get to write articles, with perhaps 50 or so others for minor contributions, not

traffic to the various OE websites that could be redirected to the Anglo-Saxon wiki, plus the people who e-mail me personally asking about

Est-ce que vous parlez en Francais, Mark? Je vais aller à France ce mars. James -----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark Williamson Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 7:23 PM To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Request for a new Wikipedia I could probably get some together, but why is that nessecary? Most of the Wikipedias we have started with one or two users. The Cornish Wiki is growing at a very surprising pace, and it only has two editors. --node On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 00:30:16 +0200, Anthere &lt;anthere9(a)yahoo.com&gt; wrote: connectivity. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:45:36 +0100 From: Angela_ &lt;beesley(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: [Wikipedia-l] toki pona To: Wikipedia Mailing List &lt;wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org&gt;rg>, sonja(a)kisa.ca Message-ID: &lt;8b722b8004092119452220127f(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I've just reverted over 200 edits on the toki pona Wikipedia. Someone apparently feels the language is copyrighted so decided to replace every page, including user pages and the main page, with a copyright violation notice, presumably with the use of a bot. I've reverted these, although unfortunately the "bot rollback" failed on later pages so recent changes is a mess. I haven't deleted anything, so if people want to see the pages, such as "copyviopedia" this person created they can still do so. As far as I am aware Sonja Kisa, the creator of the language, has released it under the GFDL, but I can't find any mailing list evidence to back this up. If this is not the case, the wiki should obviously be removed but vandalizing hundreds of pages is not the way to go about this. I suggest we wait to hear from Sonja on the status of the copyright and remove it she can not confirm it is GFDL. Angela. ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:05:18 +1000 From: Tim Starling &lt;ts4294967296(a)hotmail.com&gt; Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Re: toki pona To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Message-ID: &lt;ciqq5g$gca$1(a)sea.gmane.org&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Angela_ wrote: Edits were performed anonymously with the IP address 24.251.242.236 . The corresponding hostname is ip24-251-242-236.ph.ph.cox.net. On the English Wikipedia: mysql> select distinct rc_user_text from recentchanges where rc_ip='24.251.242.236'; +--------------+ | rc_user_text | +--------------+ | Node ue | +--------------+ I suggest a temporary ban from all projects effective immediately. -- Tim Starling ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:38:29 -0700 From: Mark Williamson &lt;node.ue(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] toki pona To: Angela_ &lt;beesley(a)gmail.com&gt;om>, wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org Message-ID: &lt;849f98ed040921203830a61096(a)mail.gmail.com&gt; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, I for one felt it was nessecary to replace all content with copyvio notices because it states explicitly on the Toki Pona homepage that Toki Pona is copyrighted. In a cursory Google search, just to make sure I wasn't missing some sort of release by Sonja of the information into the public domain or under some sort of terms, I found no page under which Sonja released the language in any sort of way. While it is debatable whether or not a language is copyrightable (see Lojban), I feared for Wikipedias interests and so took down those pages immediately pending further investigation. Some have raised the point that a significant number of the pages were written by Sonja herself, and thus were explicitly released under the terms of the gfdl when she clicked "submit". I have two things to say to that: 1. At the time I did not realise this. 2. Since I suspected that they were copyvios, rather than checking the history of each of 200-odd pages I simply replaced them all. Since it appears they were indeed *not* copyvio, the appropriate course of action is simply to revert them to their previous versions after it has been shown that they aren't copyvio, and then keep going from where you were. Whether or not I am blocked from all projects is obviously not my choice, but I will submit that I have contributed much to the community. For example, just in the past couple of days I have made logos for over a dozen Wikipedias, and posted them on Meta. I am also (at least I think) partially responsible for the founding of fo: and lb: (I informed people of the possibility of creating them). Anyhow the decision doesn't rest in my hands. I will not object if it is decided that I should be blocked or banned or whatever, I will only defend myself against specific arguments. --node On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 03:45:36 +0100, Angela_ &lt;beesley(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > As far as I am aware Sonja Kisa, the creator of the language, has > released it under the GFDL, but I can't find any mailing list evidence > to back this up. > > If this is not the case, the wiki should obviously be removed but > vandalizing hundreds of pages is not the way to go about this. I > suggest we wait to hear from Sonja on the status of the copyright and > remove it she can not confirm it is GFDL. > > Angela. > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l End of Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 47 *******************************************