thanks for the kind words.
There are a few research projects that use Wikidata to generate parts of
Wikipedia articles - see for example
is almost as good as human results and beats templates by far, but only for
the first sentence of biographies.
Lucie Kaffee has also quite a body of research on that topic, and has
worked very succesfully and tightly with some Wikipedia communities on
these questions. Here's her bibliography:
- I would suggest to take a look and if you are so inclined to express
support. It is totally worth it!
My opinion is that these projects are great for starters, and should be
done (low-hanging fruits and all that), but won't get much further at least
for a while, mostly because Wikidata rarely offers more than a skeleton of
content. A decent Wikipedia article will include much, much more content
than what is represented in Wikidata. And if you only use that for input,
you're limiting yourself too much.
Here's a different approach based on summarization over input sources:
this has a more promising approach for the short- to mid-term.
I still maintain that the Abstract Wikipedia approach has certain
advantages over both learned approaches, and is most aligned with Lucie's
work. The machine learned approaches always fall short on the dimension of
editability, due to the black-boxness of their solutions.
Also, furthermore, agree to Jeblad.
Remains the question, why is there not more discussion? Maybe because there
is nothing substantial to discuss yet :) The two white papers are rather
high level and the idea is not concrete enough yet, so that I wouldn't
expect too much discussion yet going on on-wiki. That was similar to
Wikidata - the number who discussed Wikidata at this level of maturity was
tiny, it increased considerably once an actual design plan was suggested,
but still remained small - and then exploded once the system was deployed.
I would be surprised and delighted if we managed to avoid this pattern this
time, but I can't do more than publicly present the idea, announce plans
once they are there, and hope for a timely discussion :)
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 2:54 AM John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
An additional note; what Wikipedia urgently needs is a
way to create
and reuse canned text (aka "templates"), and a way to adapt that text
to data from Wikidata. That is mostly just inflection rules, but in
some cases it involves grammar rules. To create larger pieces of text
is much harder, especially if the text is supposed to be readable.
Jumbling sentences together as is commonly done by various botscripts
does not work very well, or rather, it does not work at all.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 11:44 AM John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>
Using an abstract language as an basis for translations have been
tried before, and is almost as hard as translating between two common
There are two really hard problems, it is the implied references and
the cultural context. An artificial language can get rid of the
implied references, but it tend to create very weird and unnatural
expressions. If the cultural context is removed, then it can be
extremely hard to put it back in, and without any cultural context it
can be hard to explain anything.
But yes, you can make an abstract language, but it won't give you any
high quality prose.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 8:09 AM Felipe Schenone <schenonef(a)gmail.com>
> This is quite an awesome idea. But thinking about it, wouldn't it be
possible to use structured data in wikidata to generate articles? Can't we
skip the need of learning an abstract language by using wikidata?
> Also, is there discussion about this idea anywhere in the Wikimedia
haven't found any...
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 3:44 PM Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Forwarding because this (ambitious!) proposal may be of interest to
>> on other lists. I'm not endorsing
the proposal at this time, but I'm
>> curious about it.
>> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Denny Vrandečić <vrandecic(a)gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 6:32 PM
>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Semantic Web languages allow to express ontologies and knowledge
>> way meant to be particularly amenable to
the Web. Ontologies
>> shared understanding of a domain. But
the most expressive and
>> languages that we know of are human
natural languages, and the largest
>> knowledge base we have is the wealth of text written in human
>> We looks for a path to bridge the gap between knowledge representation
>> languages such as OWL and human natural languages such as English. We
>> propose a project to simultaneously expose that gap, allow to
>> on closing it, make progress widely
visible, and is highly attractive
>> valuable in its own right: a Wikipedia
written in an abstract
>> be rendered into any natural language on
request. This would make
>> Wikipedia editors about 100x more
productive, and increase the
>> Wikipedia by 10x. For billions of users
this will unlock knowledge
>> currently do not have access to.
>> My first talk on this topic will be on October 10, 2018, 16:45-17:00,
>> the Asilomar in Monterey, CA during the
Blue Sky track of ISWC. My
>> longer talk on the topic will be at the
DL workshop in Tempe, AZ,
>> 27-29. Comments are very welcome as I
prepare the slides and the talk.
>> Link to the paper: http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia.pdf
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