--- Felipe Sanches <felipe.sanches(a)gmail.com> wrote: American English isn't the same as British English nor is Mexican Spanish the same as Spanish Spanish. So you are going to have to justify balkanizing the Portuguese Wikipedia, IMO. A vote on that wiki (which is rather large and active) should be conducted. -- mav __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Daniel Mayer wrote: I don't think that a vote would help. It will only show one group to be dominant, and may just divide that community even more. Accepting the other side's way of expressing itself is worth a lot more. Ec

--- "James R. Johnson" <modean52(a)comcast.net> wrote: You link to the result page. The people who participate on the Portuguese wiki would be the ones to vote. Since they speak Portuguese, they, not non-speakers, are the ones best suited to decide if the differences between any of their dialects are sufficiently incompatible to warrent a separate wiki. -- mav __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Ray Saintonge wrote: I think it's the opposite, but maybe I misunderstand you. If a handful of Americans got fed up with those crazy British spellings and insane measurements that no one has ever heard of, like "kilometre" and such nonsense, and asked us to create an American English wikipedia, we would quite properly refuse, right? What we would say is "Accepting the other side's way of expressing itself is worth a lot more". And that's what we do on en, i.e. "try to relax" about it. There are some conventions and standards, but it really (in my opinion) boils down to that: let's just relax and respect and accept that other people use words a little bit differently. It would be unwise, I think, for people to declare that _only_ Brazilian Portuguese is acceptable, or that _only_ European Portuguese is acceptable. The best solution, I think, is for people to try to relax about it and get along. This will usually involve avoiding local expressions as much as necessary, and trying to be understanding. --Jimbo p.s. Just in case anyone asks, I'm just teasing *myself*, my own provincialism, when I make those jokes about crazy British spellings and the metric system.

First of all, I do not speak English very well. I am from Brazil. Both "Brazilian culture of copyright infringment" and "I imagine the wider Wikipedia community will have to regularly audit them for compliance." sound to me very offensive. I believe that the wider Wikipedia community has to regularly audit the wider Wikipedia. And this is all. In the early days, pt.wiki was poor documented. Pt.wiki was Portuguese club for almost 3 years. I believe that Brazilians do not felt welcome. Portuguese and Brazilian ways of communicating, asking, answering, etc. are different. These things possibly triggered disputes. But we have to forget this past, because the reality now is other. Rationally speaking as Jimbo demanded, I think that the pt_br.wiki is unnecessary: - pt_br (Brazilian) and pt_pt (European) are less different than American and British English are; - pt.wiki welcome all the variants of Portuguese. It is not allowed to change anything from one variant to another; - There are 18 Brazilians for each one Portuguese in the world. Brazilians WTFly crazily invaded orkut, fotolog and most the blogs. Quickly, Brazil will overrun pt.wikipedia. The portuguese people are the ones who should be worried, but they are not. - The most important: Brazil and Portugal governments are trying to unify pt_br and pt_pt. Some small countries are already using this unified Portuguese. Soon there will be only one Portuguese Language. There is absolutely no chance of splitting the pt.wiki. It makes no sense at all. e2m Em Thu, 19 Aug 2004 11:00:50 +1000, Tim Starling <ts4294967296(a)hotmail.com> escreveu:

Daniel Mayer wrote: American films that are filmed in American English are shown unaltered in Britain. The German dubbed version of films is shown unaltered in Austria and Switzerland. However, as far as I'm aware, Brazil and Portugal tend to prepare separate dubs. Timwi

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Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote: Puzzled???? Since our views appear to co-incide on this. - Consensus building is to be preferred over voting. Canadian usage has always been based on a compromise between the two. On the Km issue we do tend to go with the international standard. :-) That all seems to match my own view. These things have a way of working themselves out when given the time as long as we don't take a panicked approach, or one like voting which causes positions to harden. The two scripts for Serbian and Chinese, the accepted spelling for Jesus Christ in Romanian are only recent examples of an issue that will keep repeating itself. Ec

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:49:32 +0100, Timwi <timwi(a)gmx.net> wrote: I've heard that UK TV programs such as _Eastenders_ are subtitled in the USA; not sure if that's true. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk)