Well, I've had words with Clutch -- both publicly and privately. I don't think the v-word applies. And name-calling, once it's gotten people's attention, is best dropped quickly. (that's a hint, Erik :-) I think Jimbo protected the [[user:Lir]] page, and I'm happy to revert it to something nice and agreeable. (I seem to remember going through something like this Friday, too.) Ed Poor -----Original Message----- From: Erik Moeller [mailto:erik_moeller@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 10:52 AM To: wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org Cc: jwales(a)bomis.com Subject: Re: The v-word (was: [Wikipedia-l] User pages) Ed and Jimbo, *sigh* Clutch is a vandal, there's no doubt about it. Even when Lir was still unbanned, he kept changing her page, linking to articles about "good taste" to help her develop "the good taste she lacks", kept reverting her attempts to restore the page and threatened to do so until Lir would "call him uncle" (and not in the uncle Ed sense, I presume). Now that Lir is banned, he is, against the explicit will of others, changing Lir's page to contain the links he used to offend her, I presume as a last demonstration of his power. This is vandalism of a user page -- it's identical to me editing Ed's page and inserting some snide remarks about the Unification Church and "Moonies", making it look like Ed wrote them. That's why everyone kept reverting Clutch's changes, but he is patient enough to re-insert his version again and again. Now we have basically justified Clutch's vandalism by protecting the *vandalized* version of the page which links to the "how to develop good taste" etc. which Clutch deliberately inserted. I don't care much about Lir's page, but I care about antisocial behavior. Rules should be enforced consistently, as Larry said. Please restore Lir's last version of the page and protect that one, instead of Clutch's vandalized one. I've dealt with trolls a number of times, and I know one when I see one. Don't let Clutch pull your leg. He's an experienced troll. SoftSecurity won't work here. Regards, Erik -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)wikipedia.org http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l