--- Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)ctelco.net> wrote: Since it could be going into legal matters, I switch to the main list. Ultimately, this could concerns Jimbo. I should add that we are slowly proceeding toward an agreement on the [[religion grecque]] page. That is, I am boldly going toward each step upon which we can find an agreement, and let issues such as his use (and my breaking) of non-breakable caracters, use of fancy div, use of multiple external anchors between his articles for later discussion. As I told him, discussion over anchors are likely to take some time, it would be sad not to settle an agreement on the articles themselves. Any relevant links against technical or practical use of external anchors will be welcome, advice from french speaking as well, as Vincent is claiming this opinion of mine is only mine. Partially true, as there is no rules against using anchors. Except for Vincent as external anchors, I believe most anchors have been used in "list of xxx" as internal anchors, which I can live with. My issue is mostly a question of easiness of editing, and mostly linking. I think we have to take time for issue, and proceed slowly. just to make you laugh, I must also say he is currently considering I was acting against the rules of Wikipedia, when I refused to protect the page, as he requested it. He claims edit wars rules that protection is mandatory, and that his wishes for protection are not respected, and that I am forcing my personal belief in what Wikipedia should be (but is not) by refusing to protect it myself ! My, this is fun ! I would never have believed someone in a war "against" me would so deeply reproach "me" to refuse to "protect" the page against "his" edits! 172 ! come over here :-) (just kidding, right ?) ------------ However, I would like to insist on the *legal matter*, as I think, should Vincent proceeds along the lines he has been suggesting, this will be a problem for Jimbo. Here http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_Utilisateur%3AVincent_Ramos Vincent explains that * he can prove he is the main author of some articles (he gives this link as an example http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Sanskrit&action=history * he can show further proofs of him being the author, such as school notes (I suppose he teaches that topic), or articles notes * he knows where to seek legal advice. He adds that he does not want to do that, but should he has further problem with his intellectual ownership to these articles I insist on editing, he will know where to go * He further add that there is no legal notion of copyright in France anyway * that he is a scholar, who accepted nicely to spent his time here, and to give us his work free of right because he liked Wikipedia concept. However, he says he can't tolerate my attitude that consist in incoherently editing his perfectly good articles, to modify along my own views, when not everyone share them (note : absolutely no one gave any comment on the article content itself and my proposition of division, that he incidentely accepted) * that if I further proceed in editing his articles, he would remove everything he wrote and would have his (oops I dunno how to say that) legal rights respected, in a way to quit wikipedia and let it in the same state that it was before he gots there. He add he would be very sad if that should happen. (note : his articles are very interesting, though they are not always very accessible to everyone imho. Some have been a little bit rework by others (mostly wikification, I tried a couple of time to do more, and was ill-received, which is why I suspected a strong owernership problem) * he also says he will not tolerate that one (note : me) decide I have any rights in a system with no hierarchy : and that if I refuse to respect structures in place to facilitate edit war, it is my choice, but that I do let him any possibility than to (what he wrote in the edit war article, which is basically that I am a vandale). (note : what he is hinting at here, is my refusal to protect the page I am on war on, and my proposition to discuss the matter instead, rather than letting other more knowledgeable people decide what is best). Well... I must add that a couple of people expressed I was right on the copyright point (I tried to explain to him what the license implied, and that he implicitely agreed to proceed under this license each time he pushed on "save"), but it does not appear clear he understands the point. All in all, he is a very good contributor, but a disaster as a collaborator. As long as no one touches his articles, all is fine (and little do so, as these are expert and very well research topics), if someone remove a single sentence from anything he wrote, he says it is abusive. Anyway, I am used to being the bugging one :-) I don't think this will proceed any further in the next weeks. But, I wanted to make clear what the problem is, for any further edit wars (which will undoubtely occur again). I learn the hard way from my peers I can't own articles, I can teach others as well perhaps. Yours Anthere __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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