Chinese government had blocked Chinese Wikipedia for a week now, and they blocked the whole Wikipedia project since 9 June at least in Beijing. By now we have confirmed that Wikipedians in Beijing, Shanghai, Hunan, He'Nan, Sichuan can't access Chinese Wikipedia; obviously it is a national-wide ban.
I'm the first contributor of Chinese Wikipedia and an administrator of it; I'm very worry about the situation now. The fast growth of the Chinese Wikipedia before the ban showed that Wikipedia project have been accepted by the Chinese people, but now how can you image that the door lead to the interesting Wiki world which had opened to us must be closed so easily. It's really a pity for us.
My ISP is the top-level sub-node of the CERN (Chinese Education and Research Network). I had visited administrators there. They told me that the Chinese National Security Bureau is responsible for such ban issues, but they only give you an order to ban, and you have no way to give them feedbacks. We, administrators of Chinese Wikipedia in Beijing, decided to contact the administrators of the whole CERN this week, and if it is needed we will try to contact the Chinese National Security Bureau. Before we get more information about the ban, please don't release a press about it, maybe it is only a several-weeks ban.
Formulax and Daniel Mayer hopes that a press release will make them feel shame and then cancel the ban. I really don't think so. Maybe an unthoughtful press release will make things worse and worse.
If the worst happens, the ban is a long-term policy; I think we still have a choice: we can setup a mirror inside P.R.China. The mirror uses the mediawiki software, and is under GNU FDL also. Because the wiki page is editable, we must develop some tools to keep the mirror and the Chinese Wikipedia consistent each other. The mirror is under the management of the Mediawiki Foundation also. To assure the accessibility to the Chinese people, we had to filter out some sensitive information from the mirror. It is not idealistic, but it is realistic.
Mountain
this blocking is terrible bad news, but I'll see also the good side of it. That means they realised the impact the project may have.
I'd like to insist that we should absolutely not do anything public for now, like a press release, or anything like calling a lawyer to fight on legal grounds. That would prevent the CNSB from keeping face, and they would not be able to back up gracefully if it becomes public that the ban was made on purpose. We should first assume "good faith" (perhaps a mistake, or a decision taken too quickly, or unwisely) and let room for a solution which will allow all parties to solve the issue in a clean way.
Things do not work in every country in the same way. Chinese participants will know best what is likely to be very wrong. They must first try to see which solution is best, and other help us if needed. Please, no hastiness :-(
yuanml wrote:
Chinese government had blocked Chinese Wikipedia for a week now, and they blocked the whole Wikipedia project since 9 June at least in Beijing. By now we have confirmed that Wikipedians in Beijing, Shanghai, Hunan, He'Nan, Sichuan can't access Chinese Wikipedia; obviously it is a national-wide ban.
I'm the first contributor of Chinese Wikipedia and an administrator of it; I'm very worry about the situation now. The fast growth of the Chinese Wikipedia before the ban showed that Wikipedia project have been accepted by the Chinese people, but now how can you image that the door lead to the interesting Wiki world which had opened to us must be closed so easily. It's really a pity for us.
My ISP is the top-level sub-node of the CERN (Chinese Education and Research Network). I had visited administrators there. They told me that the Chinese National Security Bureau is responsible for such ban issues, but they only give you an order to ban, and you have no way to give them feedbacks. We, administrators of Chinese Wikipedia in Beijing, decided to contact the administrators of the whole CERN this week, and if it is needed we will try to contact the Chinese National Security Bureau. Before we get more information about the ban, please don't release a press about it, maybe it is only a several-weeks ban.
Formulax and Daniel Mayer hopes that a press release will make them feel shame and then cancel the ban. I really don't think so. Maybe an unthoughtful press release will make things worse and worse.
If the worst happens, the ban is a long-term policy; I think we still have a choice: we can setup a mirror inside P.R.China. The mirror uses the mediawiki software, and is under GNU FDL also. Because the wiki page is editable, we must develop some tools to keep the mirror and the Chinese Wikipedia consistent each other. The mirror is under the management of the Mediawiki Foundation also. To assure the accessibility to the Chinese people, we had to filter out some sensitive information from the mirror. It is not idealistic, but it is realistic.
Mountain
--- yuanml yuanml@pku.org.cn wrote:
,,, Formulax and Daniel Mayer hopes that a press release will make them feel shame and then cancel the ban. I really don't think so. Maybe an unthoughtful press release will make things worse and worse.
That would be our last effort after all other softer options had been tried and failed. I do hope that the situation does not come to a point where a press release is needed, but I am prepared to help write such a document.
If the worst happens, the ban is a long-term policy; I think we still have a choice: we can setup a mirror inside P.R.China.
How would that change anything? Yes, you would be OK for a while, but then the censors would find the new site, cancel the domain, seize the server and possibly put the server admin in jail for trying to work against the PRC's censorship order.
We also need to know if the ban was directed specifically at Wikipedia and that we are not just innocent bystanders who were blocked along with hundreds of other websites in a range block.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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