1. I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
2. Is there a wikipedia for Tetum, the official language of the newest member of the United Nations, East Timor?
pippu d'angelo
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Giuseppe DAngelo wrote:
- I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts
it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
Yes, re-writing the string comparator in PHP...
- Is there a wikipedia for Tetum, the official language of the
newest member of the United Nations, East Timor?
Not sure^H^H^H^H^H yet. The article on en: [[Tetum language]] doesn't have ISO 639 -1, -2 or SIL codes. It's listed in [[ISO 639]] as "tet" for -3.
It would probably be best to start a Tetum wiktionary first...
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Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first? Wiktionaries generally don't hold new contributors as well.
Mark
On 06/10/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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Giuseppe DAngelo wrote:
- I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts
it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
Yes, re-writing the string comparator in PHP...
- Is there a wikipedia for Tetum, the official language of the
newest member of the United Nations, East Timor?
Not sure^H^H^H^H^H yet. The article on en: [[Tetum language]] doesn't have ISO 639 -1, -2 or SIL codes. It's listed in [[ISO 639]] as "tet" for -3.
It would probably be best to start a Tetum wiktionary first...
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Mark Williamson wrote:
Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first? Wiktionaries generally don't hold new contributors as well.
To provide some examples of the language. Of course, you are free to go ahead and request a Tetum Wikipedia if you can find some native or near-native speakers who are able to contribute.
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Alphax wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first? Wiktionaries generally don't hold new contributors as well.
To provide some examples of the language.
You can do that on any Wiktionary. I think active projects such as the English Wiktionary would be quite grateful for such contributions.
That said, I probably shouldn't be talking because I've always thought splitting Wiktionary into several-language projects was the dumbest thing Wikimedia ever did.
Timwi
Timwi wrote:
Alphax wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first? Wiktionaries generally don't hold new contributors as well.
To provide some examples of the language.
You can do that on any Wiktionary. I think active projects such as the English Wiktionary would be quite grateful for such contributions.
If you are only going to include a few example words that's probably the best way to proceed. A Tetum Wiktionary would be directed to a public that already speaks the language.
That said, I probably shouldn't be talking because I've always thought splitting Wiktionary into several-language projects was the dumbest thing Wikimedia ever did.
Without going into detail, I think we'll continue to differ on that point. :-)
Ec
Well Mark, I am sure you have figures on that. You have obviously done loads of research on this. Or you prefer as usual to have Wikipedias. That is in itself fine but please leave off with spreading FUD. Thanks, GerardM
On 10/6/05, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first? Wiktionaries generally don't hold new contributors as well.
Mark
On 06/10/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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Giuseppe DAngelo wrote:
- I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts
it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
Yes, re-writing the string comparator in PHP...
- Is there a wikipedia for Tetum, the official language of the
newest member of the United Nations, East Timor?
Not sure^H^H^H^H^H yet. The article on en: [[Tetum language]] doesn't have ISO 639 -1, -2 or SIL codes. It's listed in [[ISO 639]] as "tet" for -3.
It would probably be best to start a Tetum wiktionary first...
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I don't have figures. But I have experience.
I am sure that people such as Pippu d'Angelo will be able to testify for you how much more engrossing it is to edit Wikipedia, and how much easier it is to proliferate, than Wiktionary.
Wiktionary is a record of language; Wikipedia is a record of everything else using language as a medium.
People who love to write will obviously enjoy Wikipedia more as there is more opportunity for long articles.
Mark
On 06/10/05, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Well Mark, I am sure you have figures on that. You have obviously done loads of research on this. Or you prefer as usual to have Wikipedias. That is in itself fine but please leave off with spreading FUD. Thanks, GerardM
On 10/6/05, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first? Wiktionaries generally don't hold new contributors as well.
Mark
On 06/10/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
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Giuseppe DAngelo wrote:
- I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts
it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
Yes, re-writing the string comparator in PHP...
- Is there a wikipedia for Tetum, the official language of the
newest member of the United Nations, East Timor?
Not sure^H^H^H^H^H yet. The article on en: [[Tetum language]] doesn't have ISO 639 -1, -2 or SIL codes. It's listed in [[ISO 639]] as "tet" for -3.
It would probably be best to start a Tetum wiktionary first...
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On 10/6/05, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first? Wiktionaries generally don't hold new contributors as well.
GerardM wrote:
Well Mark, I am sure you have figures on that. You have obviously done loads of research on this. Or you prefer as usual to have Wikipedias. That is in itself fine but please leave off with spreading FUD.
I think it's obvious. Writing an encypclopedia provides more satisfaction, is better suitable for the wiki-style (more edits), and Wikipedia is far more famous.
Gerrit.
--- Gerrit Holl gerrit@nl.linux.org schrieb:
On 10/6/05, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com
wrote:
Why would we start a Tetum Wiktionary first?
Wiktionaries generally
don't hold new contributors as well.
GerardM wrote:
Well Mark, I am sure you have figures on that. You have
obviously done loads of
research on this. Or you prefer as usual to have
Wikipedias. That is in
itself fine but please leave off with spreading
FUD.
I think it's obvious. Writing an encypclopedia provides more satisfaction, is better suitable for the wiki-style (more edits), and Wikipedia is far more famous.
Gerrit.
Actually this is something we don't have to worry about.
If some Tetum speakers show up and ask for an encyclopedia and their request meets the requirements, we'll create a Wikipedia. If they ask for a dictionary, they'll be granted a Wiktionary. If they ask for both, they'll get both.
But as long as they don't come and ask for anything in Tetum, we won't start anything in Tetum.
Arbeo
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On 10/6/05, Alphax alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
Giuseppe DAngelo wrote:
- I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts
it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
Yes, re-writing the string comparator in PHP...
See also http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164
-- [[cs:User:Mormegil | Petr Kadlec]]
Yes, that's a question of mine as well. Can we have some variable in system messages indicating the alphabetical order of a language? I know Danish, Swedish, English, and German all have differing orders (ess-tsett, a with the dot over it, etc.), and if there were a way to write in the order for sorting within that one wikipedia, that'd be great.
Something like:
Abcþefg..... for one wiki, and (aá)bcd(eé)...for another, where the parentheses indicate equivalent letters between them.
My two cents worth.
James
Giuseppe DAngelo wrote:
- I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts
it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
Yes, re-writing the string comparator in PHP...
- Is there a wikipedia for Tetum, the official language of the
newest member of the United Nations, East Timor?
Not sure^H^H^H^H^H yet. The article on en: [[Tetum language]] doesn't have ISO 639 -1, -2 or SIL codes. It's listed in [[ISO 639]] as "tet" for -3.
It would probably be best to start a Tetum wiktionary first...
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Giuseppe DAngelo wrote:
I notice that whenever one uses an accent in a Category, it puts it all out of order. For instance, if I wish to write Àfrica in the Category - it ends up after Z rather than amongst the As - is there a trick to fixing that up?
Is there a wikipedia for Tetum, the official language of the newest member of the United Nations, East Timor?
pippu d'angelo
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Hi Giuseppe, you can write [[Caegory:xxx|Africa]], it will be sorted as if the articl was named [[Africa]].
Cruccone
Hi Giuseppe, you can write [[Caegory:xxx|Africa]], it will be sorted as if the articl was named [[Africa]]. Cruccone
But what if, for example, in Polish letters like ą, ł or ć are not sorted under a, l and c but are treated as separate letters? Ą is sorted after A, Ł after L and Ć after C.
On 06/10/05, Paweł Dembowski fallout@lexx.eu.org wrote:
But what if, for example, in Polish letters like ą, ł or ć are not sorted under a, l and c but are treated as separate letters? Ą is sorted after A, Ł after L and Ć after C.
You might want to sort by AZZZ or somesuch - not pretty, but workable. And you'll have to re-sort when the code is changed, of course.
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