From: "Alex T." <alex756(a)nyc.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Fair use advice Ok. I will read all that carefully, consider options and try to write down something decent on the topic. Thanks a lot for the detailed answer Alex ------------------------------ From: Brion Vibber <brion(a)pobox.com> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Fair use images >> ? >>> As a second point, I would like to know precisely why following the French Biteyerkokoff/Jacques contributing under ISP, using a in the same and while?) Yes, the game is getting old. But it is not the first time english problematic users spill on the french wikipedia as well. Except we are never sure really problematic users are one or two. The main issue here is not so much whether JacquesD is a ban user, but that indeed there is no policy as regards fair use of images on the french wiki. And JacquesD makes two good points : He is uploading images which he claims are fair use. *Some of his images have been deleted for not fitting with the GFDL. Fine. But these images were copies from the english wikipedia. If these images are ok on the english, why should they be rejected on the french ? I do not say it is good or bad that we follow the same rules, I just say it should be clearer. *Some of his images have been deleted for not fitting with the GFDL. Fine. But other french editors appear to upload same type of images (for example, recent picts of actors). If these editors images are ok, why should JacquesD images be wrong ? Another editor, labelled problematic by some, uploaded questionable image, which appear to me to be able to fit the fair use condition. This one was deleted as well. Aside from soft appeal to force practiced by JacquesD, and fair tries of flatteries ;-), I agree with him the case is not clear and appear slightly discriminatory :-) There is a strong tendency to consider that one has cried wolf (in this case Panoramix), wolf it is. And that even though good contributor, a so-called wolf has less rights than others. ------------- Brion. A technical question. JacquesD mentions that the two pictures we have of Kissinger (pictures that I find POV, so that are gonna be deleted after the case is solved anyway) are of dubious copyright. Hence, he delinked them. The link has been replaced (then removed again) upon the reason it came from es.wikipedia (apparently, coming from another wikipedia is *enough* to be declared "cp correct*. But when I go on w.es.kissinger, I see an image...which is not an internal image, but rather an external link to another web site (but is displayed in wikipedia frame as well). I might be wrong, but I thought this has been forbidden/made-impossible because of the famous (and well remembered by old timers :-)) goatxe image ? No ? Something escaped me ? ------------------ Brion. Another point. It is interesting you mention that JacquesD has the same ISP, and connect from the same town than DWs. Though it is clear this user has similar patterns than them (but this could be used to make believe he is them), I came to the conclusion that he was not them, based on synthax comparisons with Joe Canuck. Your comment kinda threatens my inner convictions :-) In any case, I do not see any reason for JacquesD to be banned. ------------------------------ From: tarquin <tarquin(a)planetunreal.com> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Fair use Anthere wrote: images Tarquin alternative use" sur la page Mentionning it is fair use as Alex explained seems a good idea to me. Why isnot the english wikipedia doing this as well ? That is tough, as wikipedians copy images from one wikipedias from another, as if just the fact it came from another wiki was *proof* the image is public domain. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com