On the talk page for Max Weismann maveric wrote the following...
And what has this person done to warrent an encyclopedia article? There are A LOT of presidents and directors of entities and a lot more editors -- why is this one so special? --[[user:maveric149|maveric149]]
Now I'm not criticising Dan at all here, simply exploring the issues that this comment raises.
It is a question that strikes at the very heart of the Wikipedia project... who decides what deserves to be here and what doesn't? The article in question does not contravene any of the Wikipedia rules, it does not advertise, it's not offensive... it's just boring and trivial, and probably of no interest to anyone except his close friends.
But IMHO, it deserves to be here. Mainly because choosing to get rid of it solely on its lack of "significance" (as opposed to its violation of 'pedia rules) would severely damage the project.
Unfortunately "boring and trivial" is what I would say about a lot of Wikipedia content. So who decides? I think the ultimate standard is "If someone feels that an article needs to be written, then it deserves to be here". I know we have an entire series of articles on central mexican hip-hop bands, including ones without recording contracts. They stayed for the very reason that someone bothered to write about them.
To extend our authority into the realm of "deserves to be here or not" is to open ourselves to a cabalism and disenchantment by the community. For example, if I had "MY" way, all of the articles on all of the sub-characters of the Simpsons would go, you'll never convince me they have any merit at all. Ditto for the articles on the minor characters from Star Wars. However, I personally regard the individual musicians who played with Frank Zappa on his various tours to be far more interesting, and one day I might write about them. I suspect some of you would disagree... etc etc etc.
So who will decide which of these articles "deserve to be here" ? To do so means answering the question: "Are the Simpsons more important than Frank Zappa?" How can you answer that question from a NPOV?
I am aware we have standards for articles such as advertising content, these are fairly black and white. But discriminating on "significance" is much more dangerous.
What criteria will be applied? How do you (and who will) create the criteria? How do you apply them without bias? Is the winner of the Uzbekistani Fish-slapping championship "trivial"? Says who?
I could go on, but you get the idea.
Damn I can't wait to get out of India :) I hope they don't nuke Bombay as my flight connection is through there, and it's so hard to change your flight to a different city.
Cheers Manning
Manning Bartlett wrote:
On the talk page for Max Weismann maveric wrote the following...
And what has this person done to warrent an encyclopedia article? There are A LOT of presidents and directors of entities and a lot more editors -- why is this one so special? --[[user:maveric149|maveric149]]
Now I'm not criticising Dan at all here, simply exploring the issues that this comment raises.
It is a question that strikes at the very heart of the Wikipedia project... who decides what deserves to be here and what doesn't? The article in question does not contravene any of the Wikipedia rules, it does not advertise, it's not offensive... it's just boring and trivial, and probably of no interest to anyone except his close friends.
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Hmmm... IMO, if you can write at least three interesting paragraphs containing valid information on a subject/person/thing, then it deserves to be there. To take Star Wars as an example, I don't think we need a page for say characters who said two lines in Attack of the Clones, or for the actors who played them. There just isn't enough to say about them. But if there's a character who says 2 lines in AOTC and pops up again in the next one whatever it's called and was also in the first one, well then there's something to say about them.
I guess it's a matter of personal taste more than anything else.
On the talk page for Max Weismann maveric wrote the following...
And what has this person done to warrent an encyclopedia article? There are A LOT of presidents and directors of entities and a lot more editors -- why is this one so special? --[[user:maveric149|maveric149]]
Now I'm not criticising Dan at all here, simply exploring the issues that this comment raises.
It is a question that strikes at the very heart of the Wikipedia project... who decides what deserves to be here and what doesn't? The article in question does not contravene any of the Wikipedia rules, it does not advertise, it's not offensive... it's just boring and trivial, and probably of no interest to anyone except his close friends
The deal is that "Great Ideas" is a cult more or less of the same order as "Star Trek" or "Ayn Rand." One soon realizes that when one encounters a devotee. So that probably why it's here and why it's significant. I think the decision was make long ago from the looks of the topics in Wikipedia that if at least a small group was passionate about something articles on it were ok.
The topics I wonder about are the cheeses. Now, Cornish Yarg Cheese is just a made up name that folks who run one dairy, mostly using milk from one farm make. Hardly a generic variety. Course I wrote the article on that myself, and might write more on that long list under cheese. It was fun.
Now is it advertising if one says how to get Yarg cheese? Or gives a web site where it may be purchased. Given that I've nothing to do with those folks.
Fred Bauder
At 06:59 AM 5/28/02 -0500, you wrote:
What criteria will be applied? How do you (and who will) create the criteria? How do you apply them without bias? Is the winner of the Uzbekistani Fish-slapping championship "trivial"? Says who?
Well, on the one hand, evidently every single person who died in the September 11, 2002 terrorist attack on New York and Washington deserves a whole article to themselves.
But on the other hand, nobody seemed terribly upset when I deleted the pages describing various students of "Gate House" and friends during the vandalism kerfuffle involving them a month or two back.
Personally, I believe that a person should have some sort of historical significance, no matter how slight, to warrant a Wikipedia article. But then, I suffer from an overdeveloped sense of structure and philosophical elegance, so perhaps that's just me. :)
-- "Let there be light." - Last words of Bomb #20, "Dark Star"
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