Hi Sulev, Whether or not it's hard to begin a new Wikipedia really depends. Tumbuka was created very rapidly with very little discussion, and now lies totally inactive with under 50 pages (more like 17). The people who requested its creation simply floated away after they got what they wanted. Os.wikipedia was requested around the same time as the Võro kiil` Wikipedia, but it was created sooner. One possible reason is that they had an off-site Ossetic version of Wikipedia that they set up, which might've helped increase the apparent urgency for a developer (the sooner you set it up, the less likely they are to remain at a separate website, etc). Sometimes Wikipedias are created quickly and with little or no fuss, and other times they take a very long time and have lots of argument. My recommendations: Set up an off-site "Võro kiilne Vikipeedia" (?), possibly with the help of Amikeco (I don't know if he's willing to help or not). Once you have 30~50 articles there and a fully translated interface, ask a developer to create the Voro Wikipedia. If they hesitate tell them about the off-site version, and if nothing happens just keep doing what you're doing on your off-site free-encyclopaedia with the same name. I don't know if it's exactly legal to use the name "wikipedia" for an off-site version, in fact I'm betting it's not, but the foundation has plenty of more important things to worry about than costly legal battles over whether or not such sites should be able to use the name, especially if it's only temporary. Mark On 08/06/05, Sulev Iva <juvasul(a)ut.ee> wrote: -- SI HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES QVANTVM MATERIAE MATERIETVR MARMOTA MONAX SI MARMOTA MONAX MATERIAM POSSIT MATERIARI ESTNE VOLVMEN IN TOGA AN SOLVM TIBI LIBET ME VIDERE

No, there is no objection, and I don't think there ever has been. The same seems to be true with Amis, except that Amis doesn't have a suitable language code. If it would be OK, an agreement was reached among the involved parties that amis.wiktionary.org would be suitable. (they wanted a Wiktionary created, and maybe a Wikipedia at some future date). Otherwise, xxx-amis, i-amis, x-amis, or anything like that might be OK. Amis will actually have a code in the new version of the ISO three-letter codes, but it hasn't been finalised yet (I for one think it's horrible -- it's based almost entirely on the Ethnologue, which means they combine languages which shouldn't be combined and divide languages which shouldn't be divided, and exclude some languages altogether). There haven't been any objections to the Sa--whatsit Wikipedia, but then there are no good code suggestions either. Also, a Scots Wikipedia (among others) has been requested and has a test Wikipedia that seems to be working a bit. I don't recall any objections to Scots either, and it has an iso code, sco: Mark On 08/06/05, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- SI HOC LEGERE SCIS NIMIVM ERVDITIONIS HABES QVANTVM MATERIAE MATERIETVR MARMOTA MONAX SI MARMOTA MONAX MATERIAM POSSIT MATERIARI ESTNE VOLVMEN IN TOGA AN SOLVM TIBI LIBET ME VIDERE

I would love to see an Amis (Pangcah) project. It's the fourth or fifth largest language spoken natively in Taiwan (Japanese, though having many speakers, is always non-natively spoken among the elderly). There should be enough educated, Internet-using literate speakers to get one going, though slow progress is to be expected, at least till it builds up a reputation for being "the on-line Amis project" (Wikimedia sadly having received very little press attention in Taiwan). Like other Taiwanese Austronesian languages, there may be major dialect differences to negotiate (or perhaps ignore). ~~~~ Mark Williamson ti 2005/6/10 ChS 08:21 sia-kong:

Hi Mark, Thank you for good advises! Actually the temporary Võro off-site Wikipedia already exists as a group of test pages in Wikimedia: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/fiu-vro/ (now with about 15 articles). Fully translated Võro language interface is available: http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/LanguageVR.php or http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=418&action=viewview. And of course I will continue what I'm doing :) Sulev 9.06.2005 1:25:39, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> kirot':