Hoi,
The fact that you usurped the name Belarusian using for your script
exclusively is and was not acceptable. Your presentation of history is wrong
because there was a request for a Wikipedia in the official orthography. The
discussions where clear; there was no willingness to cooperate. Nothing
technical there.
Discriminating; sure. There is the disgrace that the Belarusian Wikipedias
have to deal with having two wikipedias. I hope they do. I think that your
intelligentsia and Berto's mafia are quite similar. They are groups that
assume they have a right to things that are not necessarily theirs to have.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 4/29/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex(a)bk.ru> wrote:
Dear Berto,
Would you please define the expression "internal mafia" to us.
I personally did not loose any admin privileges in "be" as I actually
never had ones. Surprisingly, now I _am_ an admin in be-x-old. I'm glad that
being wiki admin and feeling power this way seems to be something sexual and
so much valuable to you.
The "classical orthography" Wikipedia was - read my lips - the FIRST to
be there on
wikipedia.org. It was created TWO YEARS before the official
orthography supporters organised their initiative. It had and has a
developed structure, rules etc. The path could only be creating parallel
"classical"-official interfaces and article versions within one Wiki - and
the work was going that way, the problem was purely technical. But once upon
a time the brave Wikimedia administration just came in and put the whole
project on a discriminating "-x-old" domain and gave the be-wiki to the
official orthography initiative.
Thanks for not deleting it, really.
AC
-----Original Message-----
From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Berto 'd Sera
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:48 PM
To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
Oh my God...
Define "intelligentsiya". I did not know we had "cultural level
codes"...
Listen you guys cannot one day come here and claim that "there are less
differences than between EN_US and EN_UK" and the other come here and tell
us that it's a tragedy because we censor you as a unique language.
It's either TWO languages or not. If yes:
- yours hasn't got an ISO code and shouldn't be hosted here
If no:
- the only thing that changed is minor things like "neighbor=neighbour"
AND the admin structure. That is, you lost your internal mafia and cry for
that.
I can understand that power is often a matter in human societies, yet...
what do you get from being an admin in a wiki? Do you become popular? Do you
have more sexual partners? Or do you get money to allow this or that article
to be published? I don't know...
Start from defining "intelligentsiya", I'm really curious.
Bèrto 'd Sèra
Personagi dl'ann 2006 për l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojàotri)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
-----Original Message-----
From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Cajcyc
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:35 PM
To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
The 2005 paper bases on pre-reformed orthography used in emigrant
communities and among intelligentsiya. It sums it up and standartises it.
Soviet-orthography wikipedians refused to compromise, so there will be two
Belarusian wikipedias :(
-----Original Message-----
From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of GerardM
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:22 PM
To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
Hoi,
The names you suggest are not what I would consider good proposals. Given
that this orthography is based on a paper in 2005 it hardly qualifies as
classic.
Thanks,
Gerard
On 4/29/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex(a)bk.ru> wrote:
By the way, when will the wikipedia prefix for Classical Belarusian
changed to something reasonable from the temporary "be-x-old"? A good
proposal was "be-classic", "be-class" or similar.
A.C.
-----Original Message-----
From: wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
wikipedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Ihar Hrachyshka
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:56 PM
To: wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
У Няд, 29/04/2007 у 09:08 +0200, Andre Engels піша:
Doing interwiki links to be-x-old: is now
possible; however, both
wikipedias now have "Беларуская" as the name for the language. I think
there should be an extra specification to distinguish the two, just
like nb: does not have 'Norsk' any more, but is called 'Norsk
(bokmål)'.
Does anyone who knows Belarus have good idea for the separate names?
My own guess does not get further than a translation of "Belarussian
(official)" for be:
be-x-old should be named like "Беларуская (тарашкевіца)"
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