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Mark
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:06:30 -0500, harry harrypasternak@sympatico.ca wrote:
Without Prejudice
I attempted to post info on Wikipedia on the HIV=AIDS controversy - at first my post was censored - then totally remove!
What I posted was info from Dr. Kary Mullis, a biochemist who was awarded the Nobel Prize For Chemistry - he invented the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a central technique in molecular biology which allows the amplification of specified DNA sequences. I wonder how many inventions or Nobel Prizes the Wilkipedia censor(s) have?
Dr. Kary Mullis states that there is not one scientific study published in a scholarly journal with peer review the shows that "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS" (notice PROBABLE). In Mullis book 'Dancing Naked In The Mind Field" - Mullis states:
"I was going to a lot of meetings and conferences as part of my job. I got in the habit of approaching anyone who gave a talk about AIDS and asking him or her what reference I should quote for that increasingly problematic statement, "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS." After ten or fifteen meetings over a couple of years, I was getting pretty upset when no one could site the reference. I didn't like the ugly conclusion that was forming in my mind: The entire campaign against a disease increasingly regarded as a twentieth- century Black Plague was based on a hypothesis whose origins no one could recall. That defied both scientific and common sense.
"Finally I had an opportunity to question one of the giants in HIV and AIDS research, Dr. Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute, when he gave a talk in San Diego. It would be the last time I would be able to ask my little question without showing anger, and I figured Montagnier would know the answer. So I asked him. With a look of condescending puzzlement, Montagnier said, "Why don't you quote the report from the Centers for Disease Control?" I replied, "It doesn't really address the issue of whether or not HIV is the probable cause of AIDS does it?" "No," he admitted, no doubt wondering when I would just go away. He looked for support to the little circle of people around him, but they were all awaiting a more definitive response, like I was. "Why don't you quote the work on SIV [Simian Immunodeficiency Virus]?" the good doctor offered. "I read that too, Dr. Montagnier," I responded. "What happened to those monkeys didn't remind me of AIDS. Besides, that paper was just published only a couple of months ago. I'm looking for the original paper where somebody showed that HIV caused AIDS." This time, Dr. Montagnier's response was to walk quickly away to greet an acquaintance across the room. "
First of all, can your censors give me a reference to one (just one) scientific study published in a scholarly journal with peer review the shows that "HIV is the probable cause of AIDS"? If they can't, then all of the dis-information on HIV=AIDS needs to removed from Wikipedia.
At the same time - your censors stated that Mullis's views on HIV+AIDS, is in the minority (that most scientists believe that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS) - again can I see the statistical reference - that is, a scientific study published in a scholarly journal with peer review to that claim?
I am interesting in sponsoring a live audio debate (in aacPlus codec) on the WWW - with Dr. Kary Mullis and anyone one of Wikipedia "censors" or so-called "experts" on HIV=AIDS, I am sure that we would have thousands of listeners (from readers of Wikipedia and other news sources) - what date and time would "you" prefer for this debate so that I can finalize arrangements with Dr. Mullis.
- Harry Pasternak
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