You are quite right that the inactive Wikipedias are not being cared
for, except by some dedicated Wikipedian admins from the outside. So if
indeed someone has been a troublemaker (i.e. editing in bad faith) on
those inactive WPs, he or she should be judged accordingly, and I think
you and others have the trust of the larger community to make such a
decision. But again, I am not comfortable with the idea of a global ban
(except en:). I think each of the active WPs should consider the record
in the context of actual edits performed in each edition. That is,
assume he or she is on a "white list" for all WPs, and only ban him/her
_locally_ for violating specific community policies (which could well
differ). It could mean that a persistent editor would need to be banned
by and from all WPs, one by one, but so be it. (It maybe enough, IMO,
that all the WPs be notified that so-and-so is believed to have edited
in bad faith on one or more WP, and leave it at that.)
It was along this line that I proposed to remove Mark from a wide "black
list" as regards zh-min-nan (to be confirmed or rejected by other
editors there, of course). In that sense I was "vouching" for Mark, and
only in that sense (given my limited attempt to follow the discussion).
Anyway, I hope things work out for all.
Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales ti 2004/11/15 EP 04:44 sia-kong:
Henry H. Tan-Tenn wrote:
banned from editing at any wikipedia site other than en.
Personally (and with all due respect to Jimbo), I'd prefer that
judgement be left to individual Wikipedias to decide, per their usual
policy of banning users.
The problem is: he has been making annoying edits on wikipedias that
do not have any current users. He removed all the interlanguage links
from one, and replaced the standard boilerplate text with his own
message and email address. When Angela fixed this, he reverted her.
This is just one example of an ongoing pattern of difficult behavior.
He is one of the main factors forcing us to pursue a policy locking or
closing small wikis, which is of course ironic, since he is an
activist for small language wikis.
He and I had a partly constructive dialogue about these issues earlier
today in IRC, and I am hopeful that some compromise can be worked out.
I admire his energy and enthusiasm, and I find him to be very bright.
But there have been several incidents that are just problematic to say
the least (look up the unresolved issue of sockpuppets for example),
and his hostility and personal attacks against people who are highly
respected in the community don't help at all.
I took this action at a global level rather than at an individual
project level, because that's where the problem has arisen.
If you want him to be able to edit at zh-min-nan, then that is enough
for me. He can do that. If anyone wants to vouch for him anywhere
else (in an active project), email me and it will be done.