At 19:57 15/06/2003 +0200, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
please explain to me why we, the editors of Wikipedia, should
be bothered about any context other than Wikipedia? I want to make the
WIkipedia as good as it can be, and if that involves using fair use
materials, then so be it. If somebody who makes a derivitive work from the
Wikipedia can't use our fair use materials as fair use because, say,
they're charging $50 for whatever product they've created, then I couldn't
That's a difference between having one www page of beer-free stuff (not much
different from online version of closed encyclopedias) and something that
allows creating wide range of speech-free content - textbooks, specialist
encyclopedias, science popularization books etc.
If people want to derive works in which a certain instance of fair use
wouldn't apply, they can just remove the content included under fair use,
Here's what worries me: completely disallowing all fair use materials in
the Wikipedia, would mean, for example, that an in-depth discussion of some
modern novel would be virtually impossible, because we'd not be allowed to
quote from it. Similarly, an article on a modern piece of music couldn't
include illustrative sound samples or bits of music notation. Or am I mistaken?
But OK, I've enough on with copyright discussion on various other lists - I
hereby withdraw from the discussion almost as soon as I entered it.