Hoi,
The term "Westlauwers Fries" is something of an oddity. It is a term
that is hardly used it is not commonly used. When it is used at all, it
is by people who only talk to themselves. Westfries is not a dialect of
Frisian. The term West Frisian may be used by some outside of the
Netherlands, but in my opinion it only shows that they do not look
further than their noses.
Frisian (ISO 639: fy - the language taught in Dutch schools) is a fairly
recent standardized version of different types of Frisian. Fries is one
of the hot topics in the nl:wikipedia. It is full of people who want to
push their POV on this topic. I hope we will use more disambiguation
pages because in my opinion it is the way forward.
Thanks,
GerardM
Mark Williamson wrote:
I am discussing this, in English, and if I recall
correctly, the
English terms "West Frisian" and "East Frisian" correspond to the
Dutch terms "Westlauwers Fries" and "Saterfries".
I am not talking about Dutch dialects or dialects of Westlauwer
Frisian, but rather about the different varities of Frisian spoken
variously in two nations, the Netherlands (West Frisian) and Germany
(East Frisian, Peninsular North Frisian, Insular North Frisian; the
latter is sometimes even divided into separate languages for each
island).
I know what I am talking about, I have seen many books in English that
refer to it this way, though I can't speak for Dutch since I haven't
read much of anything in Dutch.
Mark
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 11:05:27 +0100, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>Mark,
>Westfries is not Frisian, it is not even spoken in Friesland. It is
>spoken in Noord Holland. Some consider this a language some consider it
>a dialect. However Fries is what goes by the code of fy. If you know
>Frisian as much as all these other languages, please use its proper name.
>
>NB the differences between Oostfries and Westfries are massive indeed :)
>
>Thanks,
> GerardM
>
>Mark Williamson wrote:
>
>
>
>>The differences between West Frisian (spoken in the Netherlands) and
>>East Frisian (spoken in Saterland) are massive.
>>
>>It would be rediculous to use the same Wikipedia.
>>
>>It might be different if fy: already had some content in Saterland
>>Frisian, but to the best of my knowledge it is entirely in Western
>>Frisian with the exception of one article which is bilingual in
>>Western Frisian and North Frisian, and bilingual I mean it has two
>>separate versions)
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:22:58 -0500, Stephen Forrest
>><stephen.forrest(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:42:52 +0100, Wouter Steenbeek
>>><musiqolog(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I would like to apply for a Wikipedia in Saterlandic (East) Frisian.
Further
>>>>details can be read at
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saterlandic_Frisian_language and soon at the
>>>>requests page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I believe you mean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saterland_Frisian_language.
>>>
>>>For the purposes of ISO 639 codes, Saterland Frisian is regarded as a
>>>dialect of Frisian. Can you provide a rationale for why working
>>>within the Frisian Wikipedia is not tenable?
>>>
>>>I seem to recall reading that there were different spelling
>>>conventions for the Frisian spoken in Germany and that spoken in the
>>>Netherlands. I have no idea how significant these differences are.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>