Wikipedia-l July 2006

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Harassment on wikipedia
by Jacky PB 04 Jul '06

04 Jul '06

Hello everybody, On the previous Moldovan business thread, I received your message on "live and let live" and "we don't care about you". But here is what Mark Williamson (the proponent and only editor on Moldovan wiki) writes me in an unasked-for message (I have never, ever, sent him a private message, nor insulted his folks). You certainly agree with me that this guy would not let me "live and let live". This is the person you implicitly support by ignoring our petition: A person that considers Romanians to be "shoddy", and takes political oppinions as personal offences. --- Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:25:51 -0700 > From: "Mark Williamson" <node.ue(a)gmail.com> > To: "Jacky PB" <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Nonwithstanding > > Your harassment of me nonwithstanding, I'm a bit > insulted by your > support of union of Moldova and Romania. > > You do realise, I hope, that this makes clear that > you do not believe > Moldovans are capable of making our own informed > decisions? > Considering, of course, that my grandparents and > their countrymen > voted overwhelmingly (95,4%) against union with your > shoddy country in > 1994? > > Mark :en:Dpotop, :ro:Dpotop __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Moldovan wikipedia, again
by Jacky PB 04 Jul '06

04 Jul '06

Hello everybody, Remember, you decided to leave the Moldovan wikipedia freezed, but not completely deleted. Now, its unique contributor [[:en:User:Node_ue]], is back (probably on school holiday), with his anti-Romanian edits. I cite from [[:mo:Wikipedia_talk:Administrator]]: <i> Please don't write in Romanian here, write Moldovan. Every time you write Romanian on the Moldovan wikipedia, god kills a kitten. </i> No to mention that he initiated a vote to become again sysop, then tried to falsify the results (because they were not favourable). The current version of the page [[:mo:Wikipedia:Administrator]] is that rigged by Node_ue, but take a look at the history on the vote page [http://mo.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrator&oldid=115…], which shows the true result of the vote according to the original rules set by Node_ue. After this, he managed to invite the entire Russian wikipedia to take position on a language they know nothing about here: [[:meta:Proposals for closing projects]]. Take a look at his post here [[:ru:ÐÐ¸ÐºÐ¸Ð¿ÐµÐ´Ð¸Ñ:Ð¤Ð¾ÑÑÐ¼/ÐÐ¾Ð²Ð¾ÑÑÐ¸#Moldovan]], and notice the blatant lie concerning the cyrillic script (whereas the problem is in fact the absence of Moldovan editors). In the meantime, Node_ue is copying articles from ro.wiki to mo.wiki and pretends they are in a different language. It must be noted that he is the only one on the entire wikipedia (all wikipedias took together) to pretend speaking a "Moldovan language" different from the Romanian one. Just take a look at [[:en:Category:User mo]], [[:mo:Category:User mo]], [[:ro:Category:User mo]], [[:ru:Category:User mo]]. Moreover he himself places himself at level mo-2. I can assure you this guy isn't able to write correct text in Moldovan. Any native Moldovan can tell you the same (in fact, this is why he keeps copying articles from ro.wiki). While no native Moldovan editor exists, the Moldovan wikipedia will continue to be a political statement that exacerbates nationalisms from Romania, Russia, and Moldova itself, and a playground for clever and stupid trolls. It should be closed until a native Moldovan editor requires its re-opening and assumes admin rights. This argument has already been put forward here [[:meta:Proposals for closing projects#What decision makers need to know]]. Yours sincerely, [[:en:User:Dpotop]], [[:ro:User:Dpotop]] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] My apologies
by TSO1D From Wikpedia 04 Jul '06

04 Jul '06

In my view this is discussion cannot be viewed as separate from the past ones on the topic, but rather the continuation (and hopefully the culmination) of the issue. If such a resolution has already been made, then what is the purpose of continuing this discussion and wasting even more time. The only thing lacking is enforcement, and why souldn't that be carried out in accordance with the general conclusion of the debate, whether in the past or the present. I understand how some users might feel frustrated with the continuation of the discussion and the war of words, however by not acting the conflict will not end, and I believe you are actually giving tacit approval to the project in its current state. I am sorry if others spent a great deal of time looking at the dispute and now may feel irritated, but others also were involved in this debate, to an even higher degree, and simply stating that all this work was in waste as you do not intend to act in any way seems a grave neglect of your duties and even a lack of respect for those who have invested their time to try to find a solution to the problem and find the best way to resolve it. Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote: Is this relevant to the *current* discussion? Everybody already knew about that. It was clear that that decision was made. However, it was never enforced, and since then, you have taken against yourselves by turning the heat up where it was absolutely not necessary and making everyone stop caring. Mark On 03/07/06, Jacky PB wrote: > > Hello, > > I would like to apologize to all of you for my > interventions here. I just missed an e-mail of anthere > more than 6 months old. > > > http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2006-March/043897.html > > My only excuse is that it happened on another thread > than the one I followed. > > Yours, > :en:Dpotop, :ro:Dpotop > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > -- Refije dirije lanmè yo paske nou posede pwòp bato. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Common Interwiki links
by Andre Engels 01 Jul '06

01 Jul '06

I have (finally) updated a page I made 1.5 years ago, containing for many languages the pages on the English Wikipedia that have many interwikis, but none to that specific language. The list can be found at [[meta:Common Interwiki links]]. I have shown those languages for which the number 100 in that list had less than 50 interwiki links. Most Interwiki links in total had the page [[India]], a wopping 150. Also more than than 100 were in: [[True Jesus Church]] (132), [[Wikipedia]] (129), [[Kurów]] (114), [[United States]] (113), [[Europe]] (112), [[Bible]] (109), [[Lithuania]] (108), [[Germany]] (107), [[Russia]] (106), [[Christianity]] (104), [[English language]] (104), [[France]] (103), [[Geography]] (103) and [[Biology]] (101). Here the language shown on the page, with for each language a few examples out of the highest pages on the list (that is, the pages with most interwiki links without one to that language): ar: Haiti, Film and Vladimir Putin bg: German, Iran and Mahatma Gandhi ca: Ankara, Lion and James Joyce cs: Hindi, Welsh and Boston Massachusetts da: Japanese, Law and Virus de: Avian flu, Mohs scale and Yoghurt eo: Hard disk, Roman Catholic Church and the Pythagorean theorem es: North Africa, Abacus and Cooking et: Architecture, Antarctica and Spanish eu: Jesus, Japan and Computer fi: Tourism, Education and Mythology fr: Greek, Hobby and the Four color theorem gl: Jesus, Buddhism and Gold he: 1641, Villeneuve d'Ascq and Korean hr: Computer, Georgia (country) and Beijing hu: Algeria, Vladimir Putin and the days of the week id: Medicine, Buddhism and Dance it: Jakarta, Leif Ericson and Republic ja: 1685, Aragonese and Bihar ko: Dance, Marco Polo and Law lt: Katowice, China and Qur'an nl: Domestic pig, Sugar and Plasma nn: Biology, Mathematics and Plato no: Sea, Engineering and Sahara pl: B, Earth's atmosphere and Metaphysics pt: GNU, Atomic mass and Biotechnology ro: Bird, Politics and AIDS ru: Mahatma Gandhi, National anthem and Earth science simple: Jordan, Che Guevara and Marie Curie sk: Iceland, Moscow and Christmas sl: Geology, Angela Merkel and Los Angeles sr: Solar system, Operating system and Beijing sv: United Arab Emirates, Education and Alcohol th: Chess, Agriculture and many African countries tr: Thailand, Pope and Animal uk: Algeria, George W. Bush and Karl Marx zh: Money, Antonio Vivaldi and Aikido -- Andre Engels, andreengels(a)gmail.com ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Require confirmed email address to upload images?
by Nicholas Moreau 01 Jul '06

01 Jul '06

Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:06:22 -0700 From: Stan Shebs Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Message-ID: <44A2EF4E.1000202(a)apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote: > >* Many people won't be uploading images if it requires email registration > > Please please please let it be so! After having to mark several thousand bad uploads for deletion, and realizing it was just a tiny percentage of the total problem, I'd agree to anything that would stop the deluge of sh!t. I think it's hard for people who haven't worked on image cleanup to realize how much grunt work is created by the hundreds and sometimes thousands of bad uploads that accumulate each and every day. Stan Agreed. Tried it out again, for the first time in months, and it's amazing how many junk images are uploaded. Nick/Zanimum --------------------------------- Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail.

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Require confirmed email address to upload images?
by Kat Walsh 01 Jul '06

01 Jul '06

One of the big problems with checking and tagging images is that we often cannot contact the uploaders -- they register an account, maybe only to upload, and then they never log in again, never check their talk page, didn't provide an email address, and you have no way to contact them. A lot of images are deleted because we simply have no way to contact the uploader who didn't provide a source or a license to ask them what the correct information is. I think it would be a big step forward to require a confirmed email address in order to upload images. It's a not a large hurdle for contributors, no minimum time or edit count -- just that we must be able to contact you, and then if we cannot, we're sure it's not just because you haven't been checking your talk page. This would also make it far easier for reusers of our media to contact the contributors to confirm! Wikimedia gets many requests to reprint photos and often we have to say that we simply do not know how to get in touch with the copyright holder -- someone who last edited a year ago is not likely to check a talk page. I hear it said that this would be an easy feature to implement. Suggestions/thoughts/objections? -Kat -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindspillage | G/AIM:LucidWaking mindspillage or mind|wandering on irc.freenode.net | email for phone The good traveller has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving -- Lao-Tzu Wikia: creating communities - http://www.wikia.com

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