Hi All,
The last outcome that I expected from my announcement was some angry members. Please remember that "Campaigns Wikia" is a wiki, of course. But, also note the first line of my message, which somehow got lost. This wiki was announced and opened by Jimmy Wales.
It was this fact that caused me to comment on the differences between Wikipedia, etc. and Campaigns Wikia. Now, google all you want, but you will not find a huge number of wikis initiated by Jimmy Wales.
Enough said, I think.
As Ever,
Ruth Ifcher
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> Hi All,
>
> After over a year, I found something I would like to post a message about.
> To my great surprise, I have seen no other post on this subject. On July 4,
> 2006, Jimmy Wales opened a new wiki devoted to political topics. You can find it
> at:
>
> http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Campaigns_Wikia
>
> If you have not visited the site yet, be prepared for Google Ads, POV entries,
> and - oh yes - an occassional Wikipedian.
>
> Apologies if this is old news...
>
> As Ever,
>
> Ruth Ifcher
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Recently, one person deleted a lot of MediaWiki pages on nl: because
there was now a general translation. Apparently doing the same thing
that others do is more important than doing the thing we ourselves
think is best. I very much OPPOSE what is being done here, and would
ask anyone to STOP FORCING US TRANSLATIONS WE DO NOT WANT!!!!!
WikipediaNL has had MediaWiki software for over 3.5 years now, and we
have changed things with good reasons. Don't undo that without good
reasons yourself!!!
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Hi All,
After over a year, I found something I would like to post a message about. To my great surprise, I have seen no other post on this subject. On July 4, 2006, Jimmy Wales opened a new wiki devoted to political topics. You can find it at:
http://campaigns.wikia.com/wiki/Campaigns_Wikia
If you have not visited the site yet, be prepared for Google Ads, POV entries, and - oh yes - an occassional Wikipedian.
Apologies if this is old news...
As Ever,
Ruth Ifcher
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Dear all,
Early registration for Wikimania ends today; after which the community
rate for the conference tickets will go up. The preliminary program
and proceedings are available from the conference site :
http://wm06reg.wikimedia.org/http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Program
Scholarship applications are being reviewed and responded to over the
next two days.
Other notes related to the conference schedule : There will be some
outings on Thursday, before Wikimania begins. SIGGRAPH is taking
place in Boston before Wikimania, during Hacking Days (Tuesday through
Thursday); we're trying to arrange a tour of their exhibit floor. A
Citizen Journalism event in the same building on Monday, the day after
Wikimania ends :
http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Journalismhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGGRAPH
Finally, don't forget the Wikimania awards -- a t-shirt contest, and
a media and writing contest. Nominations of great media (any free
format) and writing (any language) are wanted; more information to
come :
http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_awards
Warmly,
SJ
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Hoi,
Because of some misunderstanding let me try to explain how the latest
method of localisation works.
History:
There used to be a situation that the localisation was done using a PHP
message file. This file needed to be updated when new messages came
about or when existing messages were changed. This happened because of
work done on the MediaWiki software. In practice this worked not that
well and there was also a need to have some messages changed to reflect
a policy or whatever that was specific to a project. Because of this the
messages exist. You can change and localise the messages in a project.
The challenge:
The bigger projects with the exception of the en.wikipedia have a lot of
messages adapted for its language. For people for whom the project
language is a foreign language, the PHP messages are used because it is
all the information that is available to help. When a new project
starts, it does not benefit from the localisation work done elsewhere.
When a message is changed, it needs to be fixed for that language in ALL
projects.
The work being done:
Nikerabbit and Gangleri have done absolutely great work by setting up a
wiki that is there to manage the localisation of MediaWiki. The result
of this project is that for many languages a proper localisation exists.
In the process of getting as far as we are, many issues with right to
left languages have been fixed both in the messages and in the core of
the MediaWiki software.. Many messages now make use of the Plural
construct; this allows for the correct phrasing of singular of plural
forms of text in the messages. The messages are platform agnostic; they
will however indicate the correct name of the project.
The current issue:
In order to make use of the standardised messages, it is important to
use the standard messages and not have project specific messages that
say the same thing. Deleting /these /messages ensure that when a message
is changed, it will be part of the next update of the software. For the
project specific messages, it is important that someone who maintains
these messages is subscribed to the mediawiki-i18n(a)mail.wikimedia.org
mailing list. This list is used to inform about the messages/issues that
are of interest with respect to internationalisation. Wikimedia uses the
MediaWiki messages in all its projects and in all the languages the
message Outside the WMF there are many, many more wikis that will
benefit from us doing a better job localising the software.
The challenge:
I have set myself the challenge to find more people to help with the
localisation for more languages. MediaWiki is great software is excels
because it has already been localised in so many languages. For those
languages where it did not yet happen, we find that the projects are not
doing that great. By finding interested people and organisations
MediaWiki will become more usable. It will become not only more usable
because it will become easier to start a project in languages like Akan
or Xhosa it will also become more easy to read projects like the
en.wikipedia as the user interface will no longer be a distraction.
The question:
What if any are the practical issues with this strategy. From my
perspective there are only winners. * Project specific messages are
unaffected * All other messages benefit from an effort designed to
provide a timely and improved service.
Thanks,
GerardM
Hello,
I am again pushed to post here by mark Williamson.
He sent me the following message, pretending I sent
him a message.
I have never sent him any message whatsoever.
I demand an investigation in the matter. What happens
here is not acceptable.
Yours,
Dpotop
--- Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:27:55 -0700
> From: "Mark Williamson" <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
> To: "Jacky PB" <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Your e-mail
>
> This is it. I have finally broken my silence and
> have told others
> about your nasty e-mail.
>
>
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/c/c8/Dpotop1.png
>
> Mark
>
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bato.
>
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1) mo = ISO 639 language code for Moldovan - it refers solely to a
language and not a territory (this seems to be mixed up every now and then)
2) like Mark already said, they would continue the project anyway, also
outside the WMF (remember the contents is GFDL and may be used by
anyone) ... well one point to consider is: if you want to assure NPOV
than you need to have that project within the WMF - outside there is no
more guarantee about NPOV
3) following a research among colleagues (translators) Moldovan is
listed as a separate language when it comes to in which and from which
language is being translated - so there must be a real difference,
otherwise translators would just say "Romanian"
4) we have "native speakers" in several projects that have a lower
written language knowledge (even if these people are to be considered of
mother tongue), the reasons for this are several and different from
country to country - many of them started to write their language again
when the wikipedia was started and after some time they again gained a
much better written level of that language, contributing to cultural
diversity and helping to understand their culture - this also leads to
better understanding of other people and therefore to less conflicts.
Now considering these points (I could work out some more, but the main
point for me is definitely NPOV) for me things are obvious ... but of
course they cannot be obvious to all.
Well, I'll be away for some days from tomorrow on - and anyway I already
was too much involved in this and really don't want to get further
involved - it is not a nice thread and I like positive things best.
Best, Sabine
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Hi I am wondering if somewhere in the world there is a list of soccer
players with all their basic data around. Well: for now we need most of
all the ones playing in Italy and the ones of the several national
teams, but to keep things together it would be interesting to know if
there is such a kind of a database or simply spreadsheet table around.
Well: if you know about this, please let me know.
Best, Sabine
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Hello everybody,
It's been now some time we are providing actual proof
in support of a petition to close the Moldovan
wikipedia.
However, it is obvious that something is wrong,
because every single message of ours is simply buried
under sequences of messages from Mark Williamson.
Moreover:
- Our messages are sequences of facts that can be
verified by anybody. Proof, in the scientific sense.
- The edits of Mark have the sole goal of
discreditating the opposed camp. No proof, just
"their oppinion is biased, because they
have a hidden agenda". The very definition of FUD.
Under these conditions, nobody says nothing! We are
left here to exchange messages in an uncontrolled
fashion, while the matter is really important.
Where are the decision makers? Isn't there nobody
Yours,
[[:en:Dpotop]], [[:ro:Dpotop]]
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Hello everybody,
On the previous Moldovan business thread, I received
your message on "live and let live" and "we don't care
about you".
But here is what Mark Williamson (the proponent and
only editor on Moldovan wiki) writes me in an
unasked-for message (I have never, ever, sent him a
private message, nor insulted his folks).
You certainly agree with me that this guy would not
let me "live and let live".
This is the person you implicitly support by ignoring
our petition: A person that considers Romanians to be
"shoddy", and takes political oppinions as personal
offences.
--- Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:25:51 -0700
> From: "Mark Williamson" <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
> To: "Jacky PB" <dpotop1(a)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Nonwithstanding
>
> Your harassment of me nonwithstanding, I'm a bit
> insulted by your
> support of union of Moldova and Romania.
>
> You do realise, I hope, that this makes clear that
> you do not believe
> Moldovans are capable of making our own informed
> decisions?
> Considering, of course, that my grandparents and
> their countrymen
> voted overwhelmingly (95,4%) against union with your
> shoddy country in
> 1994?
>
> Mark
:en:Dpotop, :ro:Dpotop
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