LS,
There is a bot in use that finds pictures in wikipedias that are linked to an article. It allows you to select among the wikipedias that have a picture and, it will upload the picture for you including the messages associated with the picture on the original picture.
The problem is that these messages may be in a language that is not readily understood. To compensate for that, it might be an idea to use messages in all wikipedia's that have a localised content. In the en:wikipedia and the nl:wikipedia for instance several messages exist to tell about copyright. My proposal is to make the names and content of all existing messages the same and, translate them to the wikipedia's. Meta would be an ideal place for such an endeavour ??
Thanks,
Gerard Meijssen
"Erik Moeller" <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> schrieb:
> Concentrate, yes. Ignore the noise, no. We have to draw the line
> *somewhere*, and if you do not suggest an alternative to the 10,000
> speaker requirement I have to presume that you want to draw it *nowhere*.
> The inclusion of Toki Pona sets a highly questionable precedent.
10,000 speakers, or whichever other number, does not sound like the best of
limits. For one thing, I don't want to disqualify the Nauruan Wikipedia (or
the Manx one, for that matter). I'd say the rules for ISO 639-2 are quite
close to what we would want: One needs to be able to prove that there are
5 institutes which taken together and discounting equal documents, have 50
documents in the language.
I'd say that a similar requirement, but used less strict, would be a good
criterium. Thus I would propose to allow languages in the following three
categories:
* that are on the ISO 639-2 list
* for which it is made likely that there are 50 or more different documents
in various archives
* which are spoken by at least 10,000 people, provided there exists some kind
of generally accepted spelling
As another thing, what do we do with dialects? Would dialects with a reasonable
amount of speakers and some kind of literature in the dialect be allowed to
get their own Wikipedia version?
Andre Engels
"Wesley Sheldahl" <wsheldahl(a)iglou.com> schrieb:
> True. However, the historical stated purpose of patents is to allow an
> inventor to profit from his or her invention for a period of time
> before everyone else starts profiting from the invention, and thereby
> provide incentive for further innovation. What other benefit would
> there be to patenting something? There needs to be some benefit to
> justify the expense involved.
Well, there is the technique of 'defensive patents'. The idea is to use
the patents as a protection against paying royalties on other people's
patents, by threatening to counter-claim when someone tries to do so.
Problem is that to make it work, one will have to have a portfolio of
very many patents, which is nothing that Wikipedia (or any .org, I think)
can hope to get.
Andre Engels
Hey!
We were looking for something we came up with that we could patent,
right? And we were specifically looking for something that would make
fun of the idea of patenting itself.
Here's an idea.
For those who don't yet know, a company called Ideaflood has patented
the idea of allocating sub-domains to particular users (or user
accounts) of a website. So, for example, LiveJournal is now being asked
for licensing fees because if you purchase an account at LiveJournal,
you get a sub-domain "yourusername.livejournal.com".
How about we patent the idea of using language codes as sub-domains?
Ideaflood's patent claim is pretty weak because there is "prior art"
(i.e. people have done this before the patent was filed), but I'm not
sure I have ever seen a website that uses language codes as subdomains
before Wikipedia did. They all seem to prefer something like
www.domain.tld/en/index.html or www.domain.tld/index.en.html (with "en"
being the language code) rather than en.domain.tld.
Just an idea,
Timwi
Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Wesley Sheldahl wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, April 1, 2004, at 05:34 PM, Timwi wrote:
>>
>>> Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Timwi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We were looking for something we came up with that we could patent,
>>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> Are we? I think it's an awful idea to have the Wikimedia Foundation
>>>> patent
>>>> something.
>>>
>>> Notice that patenting something doesn't mean asking for royalties.
>>
>> True. However, the historical stated purpose of patents is to allow
>> an inventor to profit from his or her invention for a period of time
>> before everyone else starts profiting from the invention, and thereby
>> provide incentive for further innovation. What other benefit would
>> there be to patenting something? There needs to be some benefit to
>> justify the expense involved.
>
> For some the bragging rights are the only benefit that they need. :-)
And then, there are even people out there who would consider patenting
something, just to deprive the rest of the world the use of it.
Remember, a patent is the right to prevent use by others; the
patentholder is not obligated to make the patented thing available to
the public.
--Michael Snow
"Ralesk Ne'vennoyx" <ralesk(a)livejournal.com> schrieb:
> Which I remember stated in a document too. Maybe what's suggested in
> the RFC (1766 and 3066 if I recall the numbers correctly), we should use
> the x primary subtag, and name it x-tp to avoid trouble (such as them
> getting a 3-letter code). Same goes for Lojban and Ido and Klingon
> which don't seem to have codes yet either.
Those have all been assigned codes, Ido even a 2-letter code:
Ido has 3-letter code 'ido' and 2-letter code 'io' since January 2002.
Lojban has 'jbo' since Sptember 2003.
Klingon has 'tlh' since February 2004.
See http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/codechanges.html
Same site does say "Both code lists are considered open lists (i.e., it is
possible for new entries to be added to the lists)." by the way. (see
http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/faq.html). What source does Brion
have to claim ISO 639-1 is not, if I may ask?
Andre Engels
tpi.wikipedia.org - Tok Pisin
One of the official languages of Papua New Guinea. Some pages should be
moved from temporary work at bi.wikipedia.org over here.
io.wikipedia.org - Ido
Ido is a cousin of Esperanto, rarely seen but of some historical
interest.
tp.wikipedia.org - Toki Pona
Toki Pona is a more recent conlang, but with a relatively active and
enthusiastic user base. ('tp' is not assigned as a 2-letter code, and
ISO isn't assigning any more 2-letter codes. Rather than fight about
what to call it, I figured 'tp' will do.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
"Brion Vibber" <brion(a)pobox.com> schrieb:
> tpi.wikipedia.org - Tok Pisin
> One of the official languages of Papua New Guinea. Some pages should be
> moved from temporary work at bi.wikipedia.org over here.
I did the moving; might be good to have someone delete the (now empty)
pages on bi:
Andre Engels
Hi All,
I have translated Language.php into ukrainian. Now i would like to test it.
There are several questions.
1. How can i create new file (LanguageUk.php) in Wikimedia CVS?
2. How can it be installed an tested for uk.wikipedia.org?
Regards,
Gutsul
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