Hi. I would like to establish Wikipedia in aromanian (armâneashti). The adress would be http://ars.wikipedia.org . As for interface use the partial localized file at LanguageArs.php . All the names of the pages, like Wikipedia:About, Wikipedia:NPOV, the days of the week, the mounths etc. and the preference page were translated into armâneashti. As fo the logo, you have it at this adress: http://meta.wikipedia.org/upload/2/28/Logo-wiki-ars.png
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Daniel said
> So, has Perl knowingly abused any sysop user rights
on the Maori Wikipedia,
> Wikibooks, or Meta? Granted he failed to follow the
largely unwritten admin
> rules for Meta, but an apparent honest mistake is
hardly grounds for
> de-adminship (unless he does it again after being
informed of those rules).
> His actions on Meta seemed to be acts in good faith
as far as I could see.
I am sure Perl acted in good faith. But the rule he
infringed is about the **only** rule written on meta
:-)
What worries me a bit is that even after Perl was
pointed out to that **only** written rule, he goes on
claiming that he respected it.
It goes without saying Mav, that you were totally
correct in making him sysop on meta, since that was
the rule. (and still is for a few days...hurry people
!)
>I agree. Meta is a bit of a craphole and Alexander
did >what he could to
>clean it up. I see no evidence that there was any
>attempt to resolve this
>matter in personal discussion - there is certainly no
>message on his talk
>page.
This was resolved **amply** in personal discussion on
IRC (and a tiny little bit on meta itself) with him
directly. There were numerous witnesses to the
discussion. I explained to Alex the importance of
reading the only ridiculously small and unique rule
governing sysops on meta, and tried to explain him the
unspoken rules as well. I recognise it might have not
been easy for him, since he never really had to follow
any sysop rules, and we know he has it hard to manage
human relationships unfortunately.
However, Alex is now aware of these rules, and I have
been trying to clarify them further. I hope (no, I am
sure) that Alex is now more careful.
>Why does this need to be discussed on a public
mailing >list?
This is discussed on this mailing list, because
**following** these events, mainly due to broken meta
policy, I proposed an update for deletion policy and a
new adminship access policy on meta, and very few
people are giving it any feedback. Actually feedback
is total support. However, I prefer to have it known
here, so to avoid latter hearing I made rules all
alone.
>The policy issues on Meta should be separated in the
>discussion from any
>personal issues. As he notes on his user page, Alex
is >a kid with
>Asperger's syndrome. Don't give him too much of a
hard >time, please. If he
>does something really stupid there are more than
>enough ways to undo it.
Well, it is not because Alex unfortunately has
personal problems, that we should let him do how he
feels like, from using deception to get sysop, to
going against rules. Now, if he is being careful on
meta from now on, it is fine with me that he is sysop.
I already know that sysop does not mean trusted
anyway.
>Furthermore, Meta issues belong on foundation-l, not
>on
>wikipedia-l, as Meta is not just about Wikipedia.
I disagree unfortunately. On the principle I agree,
but practically, who is registered to foundation-l for
now ?
>Regards,
>Erik
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Hi all.
Recently I've been using DOIs to refer to publications that are available
on the internet (e.g. [[Galena officinalis]]). I'm impressed with the
handling of ISBN book codes. I was wondering if there would be support for
implementing a similar measure to handle DOIs. Every DOI code can be
decrypted by prefacing it with the URL [http://dx.doi.org/] - the bit after
the slash is automically interpreted, and the DOI site links through to the
resource. Any ideas? How do I go about having this implemented?
Jacob F de Wolff MBBS
* Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> [2004-04-14]:
> Daniel-
> > So, has Perl knowingly abused any sysop user rights on the Maori Wikipedia,
> > Wikibooks, or Meta? Granted he failed to follow the largely unwritten admin
> > rules for Meta, but an apparent honest mistake is hardly grounds for
> > de-adminship (unless he does it again after being informed of those rules).
> > His actions on Meta seemed to be acts in good faith as far as I could see.
>
> I agree. Meta is a bit of a craphole and Alexander did what he could to
> clean it up. I see no evidence that there was any attempt to resolve this
> matter in personal discussion - there is certainly no message on his talk
> page. Why does this need to be discussed on a public mailing list?
>
> The policy issues on Meta should be separated in the discussion from any
> personal issues. As he notes on his user page, Alex is a kid with
> Asperger's syndrome. Don't give him too much of a hard time, please. If he
> does something really stupid there are more than enough ways to undo it.
>
Moreover, taking the time to do such a boring thing as delteing 150
pages which probably deserved being deleted is -even though it may be
too bold- bordering on praisable behaviour. Even more if the rules for
Meta are not written.
I am glad to see him supported, by the way.
Pedro.
> Furthermore, Meta issues belong on foundation-l, not on
> wikipedia-l, as Meta is not just about Wikipedia.
>
> Regards,
>
> Erik
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Tim Starling wrote:
>Anyway, it suprised some of us when Perl requested sysop
>access on Wikibooks, and it was approved with two people
>supporting (Mav and Theresa) and none against. But it's
>only wikibooks, it's no big deal. Then Mav gave him sysop
>access on meta. While stricly speaking this is allowed by
>policy, it seems to be against the majority opinion, at least
>on the English Wikipedia.
Since when has the English Wikipedia had control over Meta? Meta is a wiki
which serves as a place for inter-wiki coordination of Wikimedia projects. As
such Meta sysoping policy has been (up to Perl's sysoping at least) that anyone
who is already an admin on any Wikimedia project can be an admin on Meta just
by asking.
I, like you, were not aware of Perl's apparent obsession with status when I
promoted him (nor was I aware of his sock puppets). I was only aware of his
good standing as an editor on the English Wikipedia (having bumped-up against
him on many occasions -- all good experiences) and the fact that he was already
an admin on Wikibooks and the Maori Wikipedia. That should be enough, but I am
a bit concerned by his apparent wish for status (as I was for 172 - but I was
proved wrong in the long run on that count).
So, has Perl knowingly abused any sysop user rights on the Maori Wikipedia,
Wikibooks, or Meta? Granted he failed to follow the largely unwritten admin
rules for Meta, but an apparent honest mistake is hardly grounds for
de-adminship (unless he does it again after being informed of those rules). His
actions on Meta seemed to be acts in good faith as far as I could see.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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Today, aplank deleted a collection of pages on meta.
See http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta%3ADeletion_log
The deletion policy on meta states that pages should
stay between 15 to 30 days listed on vfd before being
deleted. The long delay time is due to the fact users
do not come to meta as often that they come to local
wikipedia, so are given more time to react.
Most of the pages perl deleted have been listed for
about a week. Others, I added yesterday. And some
pages have never been listed at all.
Granted, I think that most of these pages had to be
deleted, however, I do not think any of them qualified
to speedy deletion, given that most have been on meta
for a full year.
In any cases, I think there is a rule, not a very
drastic one, but a rule anyway. I think it should be
respected.
And the rule state "list article on vfd, and wait
between 15 to 30 days";
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On meta, there is another rule which I think is
inappropriate. It states "any sysop on any wikipedia
shall be sysop automatically upon request on meta". I
propose a change of policy, so that a user making a
request is at least not opposed by its peers.
Please, give feedback on these two points
* What do we do when sysop do not respect rules on
meta ?
* Is that ok that any sysop on any wiki is made sysop
on meta, without any approval by anyone, or without
any chance to express disapproval
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Why am I being asked? And what exactly is the question? If you want a
Wikipedia in your language, there are others here who can do more about
that than I can.
Andre Engels
"llane ra" <webmaster(a)Llanera.zzn.com> schrieb:
> friend Andre Engels certainly interesaria me one wikipedia for which
> we have given to call the language I crush, that it is a language that is used in Colombia by the common one of
> people, although generally the educative apparatus usually tries to confuse it
> with the Spanish, but I crush has linguisticas forms that differentiate day after day of
> the Spanish, that is I in front of crush the Spanish passes the same fenomeno to
> him that happens to him in front of to Gallego the Spanish.
>
> they are similar but nonidenticos.
>
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I know this is not new, but I'm rather pissed off to see Google returns
several commercial sites featuring all Wikipedia articles on a request
explicitly specifying "Wikipedia" as search term, and on top of the real
thing.
I figure more and more of these sites will pop up when people realize how
easy it is to make money this way, and probably loads of it.
E.g. "rembrandt wikipedia"
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=wikipedi
a+rembrandt
shows Wikipedia only behind two other sites, one of which uses "Rembrandt -
Wikipedia" even in the <title>..</title> tags, which is shown prominently in
the Google response.
I know GDFL is very permissive, but is there nothing we can do about this?
Even if we don't want the money, which is also an old discussion, we might
at least attract more contributors if parasitic sites (not all mirrors are
in this category) were less succesful.
Could we not strike a deal with Google similar to the one with Yahoo by
which Google favours the original content instead of outdated copies, should
be in their interest too.
Erik Zachte
