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Re: Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 17, Issue 17
by ZH Wikipedia 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

re: Propose to set up a Cantonese Wikipedia Objection!The way dissimilarity that Cantonese and Chinese languages just talk, but the sames all use the Chinese characters to write of. [[zh:user:shizhao]]

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Proposed to set up a Cantonese Wikipedia
by Creme 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

information from http://www.ethnologue.org/show_language.asp?code=YUH CHINESE, YUE: a language of China SIL code: YUH ISO 639-1: zh ISO 639-2(B): chi ISO 639-2(T): zho Population 52,000,000 in mainland China, 4.5% of the population (1984). Includes 498,000 in Macau. Population total all countries 71,000,000 (1999 WA). Region Spoken in Guangdong (except for the Hakka speaking areas especially in the northeast, the Min Nan speaking areas of the east, at points along the coast as well as Hainan Island), Macau, and in the southern part of Guangxi. Also possibly in Laos. Also spoken in Australia, Brunei, Canada, Costa Rica, Honduras, Indonesia (Java and Bali), Malaysia (Peninsular), Mauritius, Nauru, Netherlands, New Zealand, Panama, Philippines, Singapore, South Africa, Thailand, United Kingdom, USA, Viet Nam. Alternate names YUET YUE, GWONG DUNG WAA, CANTONESE, YUE, YUEH, YUEYU, BAIHUA Dialects YUEHAI (GUANGFU, HONG KONG CANTONESE, MACAU CANTONESE, SHATOU, SHIQI, WANCHENG), SIYI (SEIYAP, TAISHAN, TOISAN, HOISAN, SCHLEIYIP), GAOLEI (GAOYANG), QINLIAN, GUINAN. Classification Sino-Tibetan, Chinese. Comments The Guangzhou variety is considered the standard. Subdialects of Yuehai are Xiangshan, spoken around Zhongshan and Shuhai, and Wanbao around Dongwan City and Bao'an County. Official language. Grammar. SVO; prepositions; genitives, relatives after noun heads; articles, adjectives, numerals before noun heads; word order mainly distinguishes subjects, objectives, indirect objects; passives usually indicated by adding a word in front of the verb; tonal. Outside of mainland China, many Cantonese-specific characters are used in the writing system. TV. Bible 1894-1981. Also spoken in: Brunei Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 3,500 in Brunei, 6.93% of ethnic Chinese (1979). Alternate names YUE, YUEH, CANTONESE Comments Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Costa Rica Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 4,500 including Mandarin and Hakka speakers (1981 MARC). Alternate names YUE, YUEH, CANTONESE Comments Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Indonesia (Java and Bali) Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 180,000 in Indonesia (1982 CCCOWE). Alternate names CANTONESE, YUE, YUEH Comments Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Malaysia (Peninsular) Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 748,010 in Malaysia, including 704,286 in Peninsular Malaysia, 24,640 in Sarawak, 19,184 in Sabah (1980 census). Alternate names CANTONESE, YUE, YUEH Dialects CANTONESE, TOISHANESE. Comments Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Panama Language name CHINESE, YUE Alternate names YUE, YUEH, CANTONESE Comments Bilingualism in Spanish. Merchants. Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Philippines Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 6,000 to 7,200 or 1.2% of Chinese population (1982 CCCOWE). Comments Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Singapore Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 314,000 speakers in Singapore (1985), 12.3% of the population, out of 338,000 in the ethnic group (1993). Alternate names CANTONESE, YUE, YUEH, GUANGFU Comments Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Thailand Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 29,400 in Thailand, .5% of Chinese-speaking Chinese in Thailand (1984 estimate). Alternate names CANTONESE, YUE, YUEH Comments Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Viet Nam Language name CHINESE, YUE Population 900,000 in Viet Nam (1993 Dang Nghiem Van). Alternate names SUÒNG PHÓNG, QUANG DONG, HAI NAM, HA XA PHANG, MINH HUONG, CHINESE NUNG, NUNG, LOWLAND NUNG, HOA, HAN, TRIÈU CHAU, PHÚC KIÉN, LIEM CHAU, SAMG PHANG Comments Renowned fighters. Came from Canton, China as railroad workers and soldiers several decades ago. They are not the same as the Nung in the Tai family or the Tibeto-Burman Nung (Nu) of China and Myanmar. Chinese calligraphy. Daoist, Christian. Bible 1894-1981. See main entry under China. Entries from the SIL Bibliography about this language: Huang Yuanwei. 1997. "The interaction between Zhuang and the Yue (Cantonese) dialects." Shepherd. 2000. "Messages from a treasure box."

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Re: Upgrades
by Giuseppe DAngelo 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

As the co-founder of scn:wiki, I am appreciative of the assistance provided by Mark Williamson and everyone else involved with wikipedia. I note that some upgrades have taken place over the past few weeks or so. Everyone may be aware by now that the special characters at the bottom of the editing pages have disappeared. I am wondering whether there is an easy way to salvage these (it took me forever to work out how to get them there in the first place!). I am confident that many other languages besides Sicilian are affected. Can anyone suggest something I might be able to do? A merry Xmas to all! Bon natali e capu d'annu! Salutamu pippu --------------------------------- Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora!

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Re: Wikipedia-l Digest, Vol 17, Issue 17
by Matt McLauchlin 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

> Finally, a question for our style gurus: is it "Wikipedia" or "the > Wikipedia"? I see Wikipedia far more often than the Wikipedia, which I think is similar to other projects without the word "encyclopedia" in their name, such as Encarta. Matt -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.4 - Release Date: 12/22/2004

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Registration system and blocks
by Abe Sokolov 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

A user keeps on getting blocked but returns with returns with one new sockpuppet after another. He wrote on my page: Hey, it's not my fault wikipedia doesn't have a registration system that requires input of an actual email address. Haha. He's right... Why don't we have one? -User:172 _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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Wikipedia upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4
by Brion Vibber 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

At this point most of our wikis have been upgraded to MediaWiki 1.4, which has a few spiffy new features, some bug fixes, and some performance improvements in page rendering. I'm slating the upgrades for *.wikipedia.org to start around 1 or 2 am UTC Thursday morning (Wednesday evening in the US). There will be some read-only time during the conversions, which may last up to a few hours depending on how cooperative the databases are. Note that there's an issue with the special character insertion template on the edit page; on older versions it happened to be possible to insert raw HTML and JavaScript in that portion of the template but ongoing cleanup (for security and robustness reasons, outlined in my recent post to Wiktionary-l) mean that it doesn't work anymore. It is a useful thing though, and it should be possible to make it work through alternate means, namely a simple MediaWiki extension module. I'll try to have one ready around the time of the conversion if somebody doesn't beat me to it. Please don't forget to file bug reports at http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org for unresolved problems on the other new wikis. We might not get to everything immediately, but we'll never be able to fix problems we don't know about. -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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question re Wikipedia for PDA
by Marshall Wold 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

How can I obtain either a download or a CD of Wikipedia for my PDA (palm OS), Tome Raider 3 version text only? Please respond. Thanks. Marshall Wold -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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[In the Press] En content micro-review; WP critics "mean" and "boring"; competition for Wikinews
by Sj 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

For those of you who can't wait for the next Quarto ( http://tinyurl.com/4clcg ) to come out, here is a quick rundown of some media highlights from December: ======== Forbes had one of their encyclopedia editors (they manage American Heritage these days) half-heartedly compare WP to Britannica Online : checking Haydn, Millard Fillmore, warblers, King James II. "...Frederick Allen, Managing Editor of American Heritage admitted, 'it looks as if Wikipedia's gotten a lot better, more thorough and more accurate.'...Even the Wikipedia's James II of Britain article beat Britannica in size, reach and outside references..." http://www.forbes.com/home/technology/best/2004/1213/bow001.html We should introduce Mr. Allen to Lord Emsworth; I wonder what he would think then. http://tinyurl.com/453e7 (For those of you keeping score at home, it is James II of "England", if you please.) ======== Meanwhile, Tim Bray sat down and wrote a delightfully thoughtful piece on the emerging properties of Wikipedia. "...the proposition that the Wikipedia is a misguided waste of time is boring. Something poorly-understood is happening here, and the observed results are immensely better than intuition from first principles would suggest. This is interesting; it seems obvious to me that there are lessons to learn here, about reference publishing in particular and knowledge husbandry in general." http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/12/06/Trustipedia ======== Journalists continue to get heated up about collaborative journalism: Mark Glaser wrote a passionate piece on the collaborative news org he wants to work for, almost a community Wikiproject : http://tinyurl.com/62nu4 ( See also his earlier notes on Wiki and journalism: http://tinyurl.com/5cxzu ) Then Mitch Ratcliffe spun a long editorial on Wikinews itself ( http://tinyurl.com/5bm9z ) And some local citizen journalism enterprises are starting to take shape: ... from the fully-realized Baristanet ( http://www.baristanet.com , serving Montclair, Glen Ridge, and Bloomfield, NJ ), and the entire town of Greensboro, NC ( http://tinyurl.com/432ea ) ... to Pegasus News, "launching in Dallas in late 2005, but with a cool blog up now," which plans to eventually expand to "every major U.S. city with a monopoly newspaper" http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/pegasus_news/ ...to Dan Gillmor's "jumping out of a window, and building a parachute in midair" departure from the SJ Merc to start his own venture that enables and illustrates the kind of grassroots journalism he has been writing about. http://tinyurl.com/66rag ======== Elsehwere, Wikiquote picks up a few admirers on Bill Hicks' birthday : http://maisonneuve.org/blog/index.php?itemid=718 http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/features/2952532 And Wikimedia gets another quick plug in the Indian press, in a review of reference desks and online dictionaries: http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20041213/market06.shtml ======== Finally, a question for our style gurus: is it "Wikipedia" or "the Wikipedia"? We had better start presenting clear guidance for our loving referers. A quick score sheet from recent pubs: - Frederick Allen, American Heritage editor : "Wikipedia" - Dr. 'Alfaso' Gizmo, semi-anonymous journalist : "graffiti" - Matt Rand, /Forbes/ writer : "the Wikipedia" - Mitch Ratcliffe, veteran journalist : "Wikipedia" - Robert McHenry, Former /Britannica/ editor : [unintelligible] - Tim Bray, Encyclophile : "the Wikipedia" - Val Souza, Express Computer columnist, India : "the Wikipedia" - Wired Magazine, various writers : "Wikipedia" -- +sj+ + + + - + - + -- || -- + - + - + Happy Holidays to all!

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] question re Wikipedia for PDA
by Marshall Wold 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

-Please respond to question below.---- Original Message ----- From: "Marshall Wold" <mbenj(a)mail.com> To: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikipedia-l] question re Wikipedia for PDA Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:31:43 -0500 > > How can I obtain either a download or a CD of Wikipedia for my PDA > (palm OS), Tome Raider 3 version text only? > Please respond. Thanks. > Marshall Wold > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm

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Keyboards
by pinco 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

Hi, a group of esperantists from Pakistan, Kazakhistan, Iran, and so on are trying to revise the Islamic terminology in Esperanto. These terms are put in www.lernado.it with their translations in the languages of the contributors. For these reason I'm writing pages for their keyboards. I succeeded thanks to the page written by Daniel Wunsch & Elisabeth Bauer (http://djini.de/better_arabic.html) which I modified. But I noticed that some keyboards (e.g. www.lernado.it\urduaklavaro.htm) have a strange behaviour if opened by Mozilla: some keys change their size if clicked on! I'm writing to this list because: I would like to know if someone else, working with non-latin languages, can suggest better virtual keyboards, if not, can someone help me to debug my pages (www.lernado.it\klavaro.hmt)? Thanks a lot, Nino -- http://www.vessella.it (italiano, esperanto, kiswahili, english) http://www.changamano.org (Iniziative di solidarietà per la Tanzania) http://www.lernado.it (Articoli di quotidiani della Tanzania, Corso di lingua swahili, Corso di lingua esperanto, Vocabolario esperanto-italiano, Jifunze lugha ya Kiesperanto, Kamusi ya Kiesperanto)

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