Server was down for a couple hours. Who knows why; this is the server
that's crashed about once a month since we got it.
I just *love* computers. :P
Thanks to Tim Starling for looking into the problem quickly, and to Jason
for getting the machine rebooted. After some tweaking to get the data
partition mounted :P it seems to have come up okay.
Please notify about any new exciting mysql errors that may come up.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
In the wake of a new bug in sendmail, I've switched Wikipedia's mail
daemon from sendmail to postfix. It shouldn't act any different as far as
us humans can see, and any mail sendmail was trying to deliver should
still go through.
There were a couple minutes where the mailing lists wouldn't have worked
as I was switching things over, but I didn't see anyone else try to send
through them during that time so hopefully there's no problem. :)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Magnus wrote:
>>>"No parameters can be added to |- tags;
>>>not that I ever saw a table on wikipedia which uses that!"
Erik Zachte wrote:
>> If you search the en: cur sql dump file for '<tr ' you will find
>> hundreds of examples;
Magnus wrote:
>Yes, but now substract those that are used in "standard" tables like
the
>elements tables; we want to cover these by CSS anyway, right?
>Now, substract those that can be easily done just as well by <td ...>
>Of the remaining ones (if any), which are absolutely necessary
(meaning,
>don't serve some doubtful decorative purpose;-) ?
I rather specify any option only once than on each cell.
As for doubtful decorative purpose: not quite NPOV ;)
Colour helps to bring order to complex tables, CSS classes might do the
trick, but will that be easier to apply than a <tr bgcolor=blue> ? (one
needs to look up css definitions somewhere)
----
Erik Zachte wrote:
>> |_ is too similar to |- and therefore hard to detect when editing the
>> source, easy to confuse and mistype.
Magnus wrote:
>I am open to suggestions! Magnus
anything goes that is not confusing
|= may be mistaken by unitiated as meaning <th>
what about |+, |@ or |# ?
Erik Zachte
OK, anyone opposed to
- wiki table markup *in general*
- the *markup style* I use at test.wikipedia.org
- my *implementation* of that style
please speak up now! Otherwise, I'll commit it to the stable branch of
the software, which means it will go online with the next update.
Magnus
> "No parameters can be added to |- tags;
> not that I ever saw a table on wikipedia which uses that!"
If you search the en: cur sql dump file for '<tr ' you will find
hundreds of examples;
Most are in these categories:
<tr style=background:#efefef ;>
<tr valign="bottom">
<tr bgcolor="#CCFFFF">
<tr align="center">
Secondly, I suggest using another character for captions.
|_ is too similar to |- and therefore hard to detect when editing the
source, easy to confuse and mistype.
Erik Zachte
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:24:13 -0700
From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149(a)yahoo.com>
Anthere wrote:
>Some editors estimate that according to GFDL'S,
>there should obligatorily be a link to the original
>article, to preserve the access of the history, to
>check the authorship of the article. Is this true?
In the absence of an actual list of authors, yes. It
looks like they
are using
the printable version of fr.wikipedia's articles in
their near real
time
feed. If that is true then all one of our developers
has to do is make
the
URL text into clickable hypertext. That is something
we should do
anyway
since it makes it easier for people to use our content
while at the
same time
following our interpretation of the GNU FDL.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
-----
Thanks for the answer Mav.
Yes, the webmaster is using wikipedia real time for
now. The search feature is ours (note that should he
have a lot of traffic, this would directly sucking up
our resources). The retrieval for display is done real
time as well from what I can guess. I think it wrong
:-) rather parasitic behavior. But he mentionned he
was currently working to install our database directly
on his site.
If I understood well, you say the local link or adress
to each article should be displayed. You say it is our
"problem" if the urls of each article are badly
displayed and broken. So we can't complain about that.
I will remember that point for further cases. In this
one, I think the webmaster is well meaning. Each
article displays a link to each article (even if
broken), mentions the GFDL, and now added direct and
working link to wikipedia on the main encyclopedia
access page on his website.
Thanks
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Could anyone knowledgable help us here ?
As a reminder, we were told that, being hosted on a
californian server, we had to respect US law, and not
everyone understand american law :-)
Could anyone explain to us what is fair use for images
?
How precisely it applies. On which types of pictures.
What it implies. Which are the limits. And when we
should consider a picture is fair use and as such may
be inserted. Or not.
I am not looking for an extensive discussion over the
merit of including fair use images or not :-)
Just on which principles we can base our decision
making over keeping or not keeping the images
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As a second point, I would like to know precisely why
DW was hard banned.
Anthere
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Anthere wrote:
>Some editors estimate that according to GFDL'S,
>there should obligatorily be a link to the original
>article, to preserve the access of the history, to
>check the authorship of the article. Is this true?
In the absence of an actual list of authors, yes. It looks like they are using
the printable version of fr.wikipedia's articles in their near real time
feed. If that is true then all one of our developers has to do is make the
URL text into clickable hypertext. That is something we should do anyway
since it makes it easier for people to use our content while at the same time
following our interpretation of the GNU FDL.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
I finally got the text to voice of Dragon NaturallySpeaking 7 preferred
to work. I had been using an old version of Microsoft Works as a text
editor. When I changed to Microsoft Word. I could have it play back what
I said and read what it had written as it was supposed to. Speech to
text is very different from text-to-speech. With text-to-speech. There
is no problem in guessing what word is meant. I have a huge 21 in.
monitor and at times have a hard time making out fine print with the
help of a magnifying glass. By having it read aloud I can catch mistakes
and I would overlook otherwise. It did not work with e-mails or the
Encyclopedia. Perhaps there are programs that will. I am working on a
large spreadsheet , and can move around much faster than with the
keyboard. I can say . Move down two and it is there, Move right
twenty and it is there before I close my mouth. It is much faster than
typing with the keyboard. In Microsoft XP Home Edition go to control
panel; sounds speech and audio devices; speech; text-to-speech; preview
voice. Then you can try the voice of Microsoft's Sam. Clock G2 uses the
voice of Microsoft's Sam to announce the time and date each hour. I have
not found anything in any of my Microsoft programs about how to get it to
read text. I think that they should have such a program. There are
probably other such programs and there have been such programs for years
but I don't know where to find them. Merritt L. Perkins
I've transferred the backed-up UseMod-based (formerly wikipedia.com) wikis
onto pliny and got them up and running on their wikipedia.org addresses.
The wikipedia.com URLs are temporarily dead-end links, but once the DNS is
transferred they should point to the correct location again.
Interlanguage links should be correct, but any manual links should be
corrected, well, manually.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)