The English Wikipedia is now accessible via our new web server,
code-named Larousse. Until the domain name change goes through, the old
server will continue to do double-duty on the database and the web
stuff, and the new web-only server will be accessible for more thorough
real-user testing via http://larousse.wikipedia.org/ .
Caveats:
* Uploading has been temporarily disabled to keep files and database
from getting out of synch; once Larousse is more or less established in
the www. slot, we'll enable it there.
* TeX works, but there's the same synch problem as with uploads. No big
deal though, since they can be wiped and regenerated automatically. :)
So if you see missing equation images, don't worry, it's just temporary.
* There may still be other things oddly- or mis-configured that I
haven't found yet. :)
* There have been some reports of weirdness such as old revisions of
pages (even edit pages) being shown. It's not 100% clear what the
problem is; it may be related to browser/proxy caching of pages, and/or
broken database transaction freezing some connections in a state with
obsolete data. May or may not be fixed.
I'm not entirely clear on whether the DNS change is through; it may take
a bit to work its way fully through the system anyway. At some point,
though, Larousse will take over as www.wikipedia.org. Database downloads
and mailing list archives aren't yet moved over to larousse; they'll be
accessible in the meantime via pliny.wikipedia.org, with automatic
redirects from www.wikipedia.org.
And that's about it for the moment... I'm going to catch a few hours'
sleep and hope the rubble clears by morning. ;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Fellow Wikipedians / Samvikipediistoj,
(Esperanto text below)
Just wanted to let you all know that I'll be lecturing
(in Esperanto) in Antwerpen, this Friday (16/5/2003)
at the Esperanto Center of Antwerpen at 20:15h. If
you'd also like to come for dinner, show up at 18:30h.
I'd imagine that a small contribution is acceptable
for the dinner. If you plan to join us for dinner,
please reserve a place by writing to
financoj(a)fel.esperanto.be. I plan to pass out
Esperanto brochures about Wikipedia, do these also
exist in Dutch/Flemish?
Directions: Exit Antwerpen central station in the
direction of "De Keyserlei". Continue down this
avenue until you reach an intersection which crosses
an even wider avenue. From there, go left until you
see a banner above the sidewalk with the word
Esperanto. This is about a 15 minute walk. The
address: Frankrijklei 140.
Mi simple volis sciigi al vi cxiuj ke mi prelegos (en
Esperanto) en Antverpeno cxi-vendrede (16/5/2003) cxe
la Esperanto-Centro de Antverpeno je la 20:15h. Se vi
ankaux sxatus vespermangxi, venu je la 18:30h. Mi
imagas ke estas akceptebla mangxi kontraux eta donaco.
Se vi planas kunvespermangxi, rezervu lokon skribante
al financoj(a)fel.esperanto.be. Mi ankaux planas
disdoni faldfoliojn pri Vikipedio en Esperanto, cxu
ekzistas ankaux faldfolioj en la flandra/nederlanda
pri Vikipedio?
Instrukcioj: La klubejo trovigxas en la centro de la
urbo. Vi forlasu la centran stacidomon en la direkton
"De Keyserlei". Vi lauiru tiun avenuon gxis krucxigxo
kun alia ecx pli largxa avenuo. Tie vi iros
maldekstren kaj vi jam estas sur la bona vojo. La
E°-centro trovigxas je la dekstra flanko kaj ekstere
super la trotuaro pendas banderolo kun la jubilea
simbolo kaj la vorto Esperanto. Entute vi bezonas
kvaronhoron da piedirado. La adreso: Frankrijklei
140.
Best wishes / Bondezirojn,
Chuck Smith
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Learn Esperanto! - http://www.lernu.net/
My homepage - http://www.amuzulo.net/
Enciklopedio - http://eo.wikipedia.org/
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I'll be on vacation from tomorrow, May 13, through May 20. I'll be
available by cell phone to Jason, who will be monitoring things and
assisting technically.
If anything came up that absolutely needed my attention, Jason could
call my cellphone.
Otherwise, it might be good if someone created a wiki page for the
batch of proposed sysops, and then when I get back, all the ones for
which there's a consensus will be approved in one fell swoop. So
consider this a one-week talking time for it!
Also, while I'm gone, if anyone gets angry at anyone, I recommend
posting bland platitudes about togetherness, our inspiring mission fo
the ages, the importance of co-operation, etc. It works for me. :-)
--Jimbo
172 should be made a sysop ASAP. I'd do it myself, but I'm rushing
around to get ready for vacation.
As with all sysops, he and I have chatted and he knows to use his
sysop powers in a "priestly" fashion, i.e. not in an edit war, etc.
--Jimbo
It seems the use of the bot in connection with the outside BBS for Japanese
wikipedians is not opposed. Well, it is not much of a surprise since the bot
is not disigned to automate posting, but automate only the generation of
content which users can manually post/save in a specific page.
But as I remember, there was some talk in the past (related to Taku-bot)
that a use of bot would need approval from some admins. So if any admin
would like to check the code, please let me know through wikimail. (I'm
Tomos on English wiki as well.)
regards,
Tomos
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I've learned that the problem with corruption of archived Japanese messages
from the list
could be solved by using a later version of mailman (2.1.1 or later). It
seems that we are
using the 2.0.13 (guessing from the logo).
I have already emailed Jason Richie, who is the admin of the mailman (in my
not-so-good understanding..) and asked if it is possible/easy. But perhaps I
should ask on this list as well.
Or should I bring it up on the tech list?
regards,
Tomos
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Why I prefer BBS:es:
1. Discussion is closer to content because both are webbased.
2. Threads can be followed more easily. There is no way that a
mailprogam can figure out in which thread this reply belongs to for
example because I use digest mode.
3. I can edit my post after it has been written, if that feature is
desireable. This also means that post publishing moderation will be
easier which is preferable to prepublishing that a mailinglist requires.
4. How does this look?:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I
really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>readable
>>>>>>>>>>>because different mailprograms use different styles for
quotation
bla<hej>weird eh?>
5. From time to time there comes someone who replies to the whole digest
without deleting anything.
6. I dont have to read "Do you have Yahoo?" 2,000,000 times.
7. Many users use the Internet at work or school where they dont have
access to mail only to the web.
8. Using webmail like Hotmail is not fun to read mailinglists on. Your
mailbox fills up with spam instantly and the interfaces are usually very
cumbersome.
9. Because I can write down all the e-mailadresses i get from the list
and spam you with penis-enlargements. Bush could easily track all Afgan
terrorists on this list down if he wanted to - would be much harder on a
BBS.
10. I have to wait a day for new letters to arrive because I use digest
mode and if I dont my mailbox will get clogged. BBS:es enables immidiate
response.
11. When many topics is discussed simultaneously it becomes very hard to
follow the threads on a list. Not so on a BBS.
12. Mentioning offsite mailarchives is out of question imho. No sane
person should need to or want to use that.
13. No bold or italic style.
I for one would love to have some kind of messageboard instead of an
antique mailingsystem. Both the mailinglist and the talk-pages are so
cumbersome, there should be an EASY way to discuss!
BBS:es are not perfect either, if anyone remembers Fidonet it had an
ultimate messageing system but it not an option. They have their flaws
but it is the best alternative. And usually; Mailinglist = intelligent,
low traffic BBS = dumb, high traffic and thats also something to consider.
I think its the way of the future.
Björn Lindqvist
Hello,
This message is especially for wikipedia users that would be close to
Metz in july (9/10/11)
http://wiki.ael.be/rmll2003
while the 3rd Libre Software Meeting will take place.
With libroscope team, we are leading a topic on
« Le libre, au-delà du logiciel (Extending Free Software principles
beyond the IT sphere) »
http://wiki.ael.be/rmll2003/index.php/FreeSoftwareBeyondIT
I am looking for a wikipedian speecher for this theme.
As a lurker^H^H^H chaotic contributor to wikipedia there are a lot of
points that makes me think wikipedia is legitimate on this point :
- sharing the knowledge using mechanisme closed to libre software
methodology (letting anyone contribute and using peer review)
- benevolent dictatorship model (Hi jim) with trusted lieutenant (like
youssefan, alvaro, aoineko, ant ... for the one I know) ;
- focusing on user and the ease of use rather than technology ;
- making contributor have good practice by social engeneering
(discussion, NPOV..) rather than with software implemented rules.
- web/email centric coordination (the virtual roof)
- from Kaos Management to Knowledge Management ;)
- a living proof wiki technology can give large scale structured website
:) : you don't need complex technology to build large KM database.
The last point is the one I really like :
focusing on peopleware seems to be a far better approach than focusing
on a pure technological approach to build such a large scale project.
Anyone interested, and available ?
I have missed some points I know, and I would be glad to discuss it with
you.
PS as a matter of fact, I guess that wikipedia is such a rich project
that it could be appropriate to do more than one speech :)
As an individual I would be really interested in a conf on the
architecture and the technological aspect though it is not the topic I
work on.
PPS je parie que ça va se terminer à pas d'heure au bistro encore :)
--
Julien Tayon
http://www.tayon.net/http://libroscope.org/
Si la vérité est une femme, essayons de la séduire avant de la saisir.
Hunter;
Thanks a lot for your concern. I described the problem at my User_talk:
page. Would you take a look?
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tomos
I can also be reached by wikimail.
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Hello,
A new user registered a few days ago using the name "Harry Potter".
Warner Bros and JK Rowling have a trademark registered for this
name.
On the new users talk page ( http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk%3AHarry_Potter ),
MammaBaer posted some concerns about the user name and its legal
status. I'm not experienced in trademark law, so I post this to
the list.
Is the use of a trademarked name as a username problematic?
Best regards,
JeLuF