Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Mailing lists (Was: Dammit!
> > By the wait, are they any Japanese here!? It is
the
> fastest growing
> Wikipedia, isn't it?
Well if they are not-- they should be. People should
not be shy about posting in Japanese to the
Wikipedia-l, or the Intlwiki-l listss ( although there
isnt much activity on the WikiJA-l list either)
Everyone-for enjoyment-humourous:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikija-l/2003-September/thread.html
Si des francophones sont int�ress�s, la liste
fran�aise re�oit entre 1 et 5 douceurs de ce genre
tous les jours. Je peux forwarder aux int�ress�s :-)
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> From: "Guillaume Blanchard" <gblanchard(a)arcsy.co.jp>
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Mailing lists (Was:
> Dammit!
>
> Don't you feel we make a together monolog (bilog!?).
bilog :-)
> Even when I bother to write a mail to the list I
> often don't get any
> answers.
[en:]
That does not mean no one read it.
[fr:]
Un stroke n�gatif vaut mieux que pas de stroke du
tout.
> The only solution I see to improve multi-language
> coordination is to create
> about ten clones of Brion ;o)
[en:]
Nod.
[fr:]
T'ais je dis que j'aimerais bien me reproduire aussi ?
Pire que dans tes pires cauchemards :-)
> PS: I'm not at all for banning people, I already
> said many time that is as
> unfair (private other user using an IP) as useless
> (it's so easy to change
> his IP). But as a sysop, I want to be able to stop a
> real vandal even if his
> logged. I'm just against feeding trolls ;o)
[fr:]
Voui. Que veut tu, le role d'une agronome est de
nourrir le monde...:-)
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I use the word banning and note blocking, because that
is the one french users use. One must be aware that
blocking and banning on international wikipedias, will
have very similar significance.
I do not think it is necessary that you switch off the
procedure Tim, as I know what french people will vote.
I would really would like that
* the log feature is done, so tracking of who ban is
available for public consideration
* a system is made possible to warn people that a
loggued in user has been banned (could it be a message
at the top, or an automatic email, or automatic update
of a visible banning log ?)
* that on the message displayed to the banned user,
the adress of the mailing list appears, and that the
message sent be automatically approved by the emailer
(perhaps could it be a wikimail to the mailing list)
and this whether the user has a valid email address or
not
* that any first blocking be initially programmed to
expire after a certain number of hours
* perhaps that a specific page on wikipedia is made
editable even by a loggued in user, for wikipedia
communication. The banned user could not edit any page
but this one.
These are propositions.
I think english people can handle blocking better than
we can, with less risk of abuse.
But since we have not your safeguard, I think we need
other tools to avoid slipping.
Thanks
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From: "Guillaume Blanchard" <gblanchard(a)arcsy.co.jp>
>Effectively it's really pitty your are the alone to
>speak for french people.
>(your are often not representative of other french
>opinion)
Yeah. But it is not exactly as if I was not calling
for you all to participate more hein ?
And as I said, I am not gonna just shut up because you
guys don't speak up, right ?
Ce n'est pas faute de vous interpeller souvent :-)
Je ne vais pas me taire uniquement parce que d'autres
ne peuvent pas parler.
This said, apart from blocking undesired ones, I think
we agree on most things Aoi. Just check last
decisions.
Hum...and CD release of raw french version perhaps as
well.
Je pense Aoi, qu'� part le CD et la pratique de
bloquer toute personne qui semble avoir une vision
autre que le politiquement correct, nous sommes
d'accord dans la majorit� des cas. La plupart des
d�cisions "en rade" sur fr, ne le sont pas du fait
d'un blocage de ma part.
>I can't help... I can't read all the mails (too long
>to translate for me).
Yup. And I suppose you also have troubles finding the
relevant ones :-)
et peut �tre sont ils un peu trop nombreux �galement
>Just hope the french Wikipedia growing will attract
>more people fluent in english.
See to which extremities we are resolved ? We need to
attract people fluent in english to have a say. How
democratic is that ?
Et donc, pour participer, nous devons n�cessairement
parler anglais.
>How about other no-english Wikipedia ?
Not very much here either. At best one or two people
for each language participate actively to mailing
lists. No real representation can be fair this way.
Guillaume
Ben, pas mieux que nous.
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> Starting an article as follows: "Saint Bernard of Clairvaux" will offend
> many a lot human beings who are not members of the Roman church.
That's absurd. We don't start articles "Elizabeth Windsor, whom some
monarchists consider Queen Elizabeth II...", no matter how much this might
irritate republicans. The article on Quebec begins, "Quebec is a province of
Canada," no matter how much that irritates sovereignists. We don't hide
facts just because they irritate some people.
Saint has a certain definition: one who has been canonized. It doesn't
matter what people outside the church have to say about it. And I say this
as a Wiccan.
Matt
I have just recently subscribed to this list (in addition to
wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org) since it seems the only way to keep up with many
issues, and I just want to second the request to reduce cross-posting.
There have been a lot of good emails about the differences between the two
lists, and it definitely adds to the challenge of reading them. My sense
(based on very little experience, though) is that most of what gets
crossposted really belongs on wikien-l (e.g. that blessed Mother Teresa
article), and that a much smaller amount should really just be on wikipedia-l.
No disrespect intended to Ed for cross posting *his* message -- but I'll
only respond here since that seems to be following my own advice ;-)
Brian
At 04:49 PM 10/23/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:22:23 -0400
>From: "Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com>
>Subject: [WikiEN-l] Please post to the right list
>
>As the administrator of English Wikipedia mailing list (Wikien-l), I
>would like to *request* that contributors avoid cross-posting to the
>International Wikipedia mailing list (wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org).
>
>The international list should only be used for issues which affect all
>languages, or the project as a whole.
>
>I believe that all discussions relating to the [[Mother Theresa]]
>article should be confined to Wikien-l and kept off the international
>list.
>
>The difference of opinion between Erik & James is purely an English
>Wikipedia issue, so let's keep it there.
>
>NOTE: If you reply to this post, please CHOOSE either Wikien-l or
>Wikipedia-l (one or the other, NOT BOTH :-)
>
>Ed Poor
>Mailing List Administrator
>English-language Wikipedia (Wikien-l)
Anthere has raised an important issue about the relationship between the
English Wikipedia and the other languages. I hope we address this issue
properly, with kindness and respect.
I recall that there was a fork, early in the history of this project,
due to a disagreement (or misunderstanding?). It is possible that a
shortage of Spanish-speaking speakers within the English Wikipedia
community contributed to this problem.
Anthere has been keeping all the communication alive, between French and
English wikipedias. (Peut-etre je donne un peu de 'help', de temps en
temps, but I can't really speak French well and babelfish is no
substitute.)
Somehow, the default language for decision-making in Wikipedia (the
whole project) seems to be English. I hope we can find a way that
non-English speakers aren't excluded; a way to include French, German,
Spanish and so on.
Ed Poor (aka Edmond LePauvre)
As the administrator of English Wikipedia mailing list (Wikien-l), I
would like to *request* that contributors avoid cross-posting to the
International Wikipedia mailing list (wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org).
The international list should only be used for issues which affect all
languages, or the project as a whole.
I believe that all discussions relating to the [[Mother Theresa]]
article should be confined to Wikien-l and kept off the international
list.
The difference of opinion between Erik & James is purely an English
Wikipedia issue, so let's keep it there.
NOTE: If you reply to this post, please CHOOSE either Wikien-l or
Wikipedia-l (one or the other, NOT BOTH :-)
Ed Poor
Mailing List Administrator
English-language Wikipedia (Wikien-l)
This can be set in the language file, as for instance
the default on nl is to use ? links. I just install
the files you guys give me, if you want a different
default somebody's got to make the decision to do so.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com
thanks Brion. I will ask what they think.
I care little now, except that it is bad that on
Cologne skin, by default red is both the color for
missing and visited links :-) (are you sure this can't
be set on the language file as well ?)
ant
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Hello,
I've noticed that references to english wikipedia
most of the time bring you to en.wikipedia.org, and
the wikipedia link from the wikimediafoundation page
brings to the "provisional portal of wikipedia", a
multilingual attempt in meta.wikipedia.
When will a multilingual portal be installed in
www.wikipedia.org?, so as to avoid a link to a
"provisional portal" ?
AstroNomer
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