Wikipedia-l October 2003

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Sometimes, there is every reason to be amazed
by Daniel Mayer 05 Oct '03

05 Oct '03

Richard Grevers >> How many do we need ? >> >At least 11,000 across all languages other than en. >(en had 161,000 yesterday) Actually it is /much/ closer than that when you also include the UseMod wikis: En.Wikipedia: 161,813 All others: 158,895 TOTAL: 320,708 Numbers based on October 1st count here: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multilingual_statistics (please check my math somebody!) But even if the non-English count passed the English one in the last few days, it would be very schizophrenic and confusing to say in the press release; 1) we have reached 300,000 articles (MediaWiki count) 2) there are now more articles in other languages than in English (MediaWiki + UseMod count) 3) there are 162,000 articles in English That just does not add up! Better, IMO, to wait for the MediaWiki + UseMod 1/3 of a million milestone. That count includes all Wikipedias and it would then not be confusing to say that there are more articles in other languages than in English. The 300,000 figure is getting a bit stale anyway with all the hardware/performance delays. IMO, the issue will be moot by Wednesday the 7th anyway, since that marks a week since we hit the 300,000 "milestone" - stale (and not really correct) news by that point. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Sometimes, there is every reason to be
by Anthere 05 Oct '03

05 Oct '03

From: Richard Grevers <lists(a)dramatic.co.nz> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Sometimes, there is every reason to be >> Could english people please *stop* creating new >> articles for a couple of days ? >If wikipedia continues to be completely uncontactable >as it is for me >this >morning, you will have your wish :-) But If it is >unreachable then I >guess >fr can't make new articles either. Seems we are in the same bath >> What about 2/3 days when all of you make an effort, >> and head to your second favorite language wikipedia, >> and create a few ones for the press release to be >> correct ? >Although I got ridiculously high marks in my school >French exams, you >really wouldn't want my attempts at writing it :-) We have a contributor who is mostly contributing in english, so... >> How many do we need ? > >At least 11,000 across all languages other than en. >(en had 161,000 >yesterday) Well, except for a bot, we have no chance then. It seems everything is heading for a big crash again :-( __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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The last word on RK
by James Duffy 05 Oct '03

05 Oct '03

I don't want to dig up the dreaded RK issue again, but as I was knocked off the wikilist and so have come on with a new email account, I haven't had a chance to comment. 1. Abe made a very useful and thought-provoking point about the useful of having RK on wiki, if only because his virtual waging of war on anyone who disagreed with him tended to lead people to be restrained in what they wrote on the Israel-Palestinian issue. Unfortunately RK went way to far. Far from being a useful restraining force he became a destructive individual who scared people away from wiki. 2. For me the last straw was seing Robert's mucking up of the [[Mel Gibson]] article. Robert had done it before; taken articles that were on individuals and overloaded them with the issue of anti-semitism. But in the case of Gibson, it hit farcical proportions. Gibson is an actor. He is known as an actor. People would come to the page to read about the actor. But Robert, as usual, turned the entire article into a polemic rant about Gibson's views on jews. Yes, Gibson has what I personally regard as anti-semitic views. And homophobic views. His views make my skin crawl. But that is no justification whatsoever for turning the article into one big expose of Gibson's opinions on jews, much less turning much of it into a rant about his father's views as a Holocaust denier. As a gay man I would love to give Gibson right rollicking over his homophobia but if I was to turn the article around so 70% was about his views on gays I would be actively disgracefully. Gibson's personal views on any issue, no matter how repulsive, warrant no more than a paragraph in an article primarily focused on the broad view of who Gibson is, what his career is, what his film career is like etc. But then Robert did this in article after article after article. And true to form, given his hypersensitivity being such that he would read anti-semitism into the wrong location of a comma, Robert accused everyone who tried to turn the Gibson back into a proper balanced encyclopædia article, of being anti-semitic and trying to cover up the truth. Eloquence's actions in banning Robert were 100% correct. I thought a temporary ban was right, but having read Robert's ''nazipedia'' rant that followed, I cannot see any reason why wiki should take Robert back. He has caused too much offence, too much chaos, made too many outrageous personal attacks. I don't know of a single other user whose behaviour was so continually outrageous, who treated people so badly and yet was allowed to go on, unbanned for so long. Wikipedia needs to ensure that no-one is ever allowed to behave that way again. And that no-one is shown so much tolerance. The tolerance he was shown amounted to a slap in the face of everyone else who was bullied by him, who had to clean up his polemics, and deal with the regular wars he triggered. He should have been dealt with months ago. His behaviour caused more damage to wiki, and drove away more good people, than any troll. That scale of blank cheque tolerance to one user, and by implication toleration of his disgraceful treatment of everyone else, must never be shown again. JT _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Sometimes, there is every reason to be amazed
by Anthere 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

From: Daniel Mayer <maveric149(a)yahoo.com> >Pour la premi�re >fois depuis le commencement du projet en janvier 2001, >Wikip�dia comporte plus d'articles dans les langues non >anglophones qu'en anglais. Huh, that's not right yet; there still are more English articles than all other languages combined. It's close though. Please fix your press release. -- mav %=$�^"@&# Could english people please *stop* creating new articles for a couple of days ? What about 2/3 days when all of you make an effort, and head to your second favorite language wikipedia, and create a few ones for the press release to be correct ? How many do we need ? We could also quickly sweep through votes for deletion to help ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Wikipedia timing out
by James Duffy 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

Wiki is getting increasingly frustrating to use. I have gone through three browsers and each in turn has had to be abandoned because wiki is so slow any attempt at contact times out. Since the new logo was introduced the situation has become impossible. Is it a co-incidence already existing problems have become even worse since our new large logo was introduced? If it is the problem, then please bin the damn thing. There is no point having a snazzy new logo if it so slows up the process of downloading as to make wiki on occasions uncontactable. I am thoroughly fed up with the mess at this stage. JT _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Sometimes, there is every reason to be
by Anthere 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

From: Gutza <gutza(a)moongate.ro> >http://webgeneraction.levillage.org/breve.php3?id_breve=110 > >Notice, I have no idea who sent it (not me), but I am >quite surprised by the date, 29th of august ! > >Yeah, well, they're French, of course they'll gloat over the "English defeat" as soon as they get word of that! :) Certainly :-) >Gutza Btw, many romanian people speak french, don't they ? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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Another milestone (not)
by Erik Zachte 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

>> Google knows more than a million pages containing 'wikipedia'. >> (Oct 4: 1,010,000) > Strange; oct 4, 10:37 UTC > Google finds "1,610,000 pages containing 'wikipedia' > And whit google.be i have sometimes 1,730,000 hits Oops, I forgot my preferences: show only pages in English and Dutch. Sorry Erik Zachte

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Another milestone
by Erik Zachte 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

Yet another milestone reached: Google knows more than a million pages containing 'wikipedia'. (Oct 4: 1,010,000) Wikimedia returns a modest 1,110 pages and Google asks helfully "did you mean: wikipedia" :) Erik Zachte

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Sometimes, there is every reason to be amazed
by Daniel Mayer 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

>Pour la première >fois depuis le commencement du projet en janvier 2001, >Wikipédia comporte plus d'articles dans les langues non >anglophones qu'en anglais. Huh, that's not right yet; there still are more English articles than all other languages combined. It's close though. Please fix your press release. -- mav

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Sometimes, there is every reason to be amazed
by Anthere 04 Oct '03

04 Oct '03

I was looking for which sites were already using as a ressource (eh, that is definitly beginning), but typind random "double words" on google, such as "biosph�re wikip�dia "(yup, we are useful) "�cologie wikip�dia" (yup as well) "�cologie politique wikip�dia" (yup again) And as I typed "canicule wikipedia", I found a link, followed it... And found this http://webgeneraction.levillage.org/breve.php3?id_breve=110 Notice, I have no idea who sent it (not me), but I am quite surprised by the date, 29th of august ! Err __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com

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