My $.02 -- I like Brion's idea of a kind of intermediate deletion.
Also, I have never tried to block an IP because I'm not sure I
understand the ramifications --- how long would that last? How is it
reversed? The only cases where I could actually see myself using it
would be to stop a vandal in progress, or to slow down an overeager
newbie who hasn't bothered to read any of the guidelines and is out
there creating tons of duplicate, 'incorrectly named' pages -- it would
be good to slow them down long enough to be pointed in the right
direction for log-in instructions, sandbox practice, naming
conventions, etc. -- but without discouraging contributions. Any
answers, suggestions? -- Jules
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I would like to "chime in" with thanks for the great job on the "Cologne
Blue" skin. A couple of minor design and usability issues:
* I've already posted some HTML change suggestions (minor) to the UI feature
changes page -- If you have already gotten to them -- thank you. If you
don't agree with them, thank you anyway.
* The "Help" link on the standard skin page seems to be missing -- I find it
useful and "newbies" probably more so.
* The "FAQ" link (on the help page) on the standard skin points to
Wikipedia+FAQ while the link on Cologne Blue points to Wikipedia:FAQ, which
''currently'' does not exist.
Nice job, and I too think this skin should be the default!
Claude Muncey
Well, that makes sense. Sorry, I don't mean to quibble; I like the new features, esp. the watchlist & orphans. :-)
kq
>As some of the longest articles are copies of PD texts (for example, "The
>Origin Of Species"), I thought it could be handy to have the delete link
>within clicking range. On the other hand, I didn't expect that many sysops,
>either...
>
>Magnus
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(Also posted to http://wikipedia.com/wiki/user_talk:Marian)
The new "Cologne blue" skin is a tremendous improvement. I think we
should eventually make it the default.
A couple of things I would like to change:
* The exclamation marks in front of actions are not necessary and
without explanation confuse more than they illuminate.
* The upper right "Log in" should switch to "Log out" if I'm already
logged in.
* If the side box is switched off in preferences, we need at a
minimum an "edit this page" link somewhere at the bottom. Also,
there's currently a bug which displays the page header at the
bottom in this case.
* The Wikipedia logo in the page header should be a link to the main
page. That seems to be the standard behavior on all sites nowadays.
Can we spend the screen real estate to use our current logo?
* "My Settings" should be "My settings", similar to "My watchlist".
* The row in the upper right should contain a link to wikipedia:Help
* In the side box, the Edit section should get the link "Edit this
page", in addition to "Upload file". I think that's where people
would expect it. The link should go away when editing a page. A link
to Editing Help could be added.
* The small font (show diff) should be removed. It looks crappy, and
"diff" is not a term that people are familiar with. Just add a new
entry "Show last change"
* "All pages" is pretty useless, and expensive on the server, so I
think that doesn't need to be on the sidebar.
* "Recent Changes" is not self-explanatory. Maybe "Recently changed
pages" is clearer.
* "Myself" should be changed to "My page", because that's what it is.
* Under "Page options", the link should be "Printable version" instead
of "Print", because that's what it is.
* The section "Page options" should disappear if there are no Page
options that apply to the current page, for instance when editing.
Again, please don't mis-interpret this list of criticisms: I am
strongly in favor of "Cologne Blue". A similar list of criticisms for
the current scheme would be at least three times as long.
Axel
On http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/special:LongPages I'm seeing "Delete
this page!" in the table. I'd rather that not be an option anywhere
except for on the page to be deleted, and especially not here, on a
listing of the longest articles we've got.
kq
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>There's also the possibility of vandals breaking into someone's
account
>(think of insecure passwords, or leaving the login cookie open on a
>public machine...), and I'd prefer that potential damage be
minimized.
that's a good idea.
>Would it be useful to have a single-version delete? ie, the ability
that's another good idea.
kq
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I made a bunch of people sysop. I think I got everyone who requested
it. Plus, I got a few more besides.
The only thing I ask of sysops is that you not delete pages unless you
are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that there will be no controversy about it.
:-)
If we have fights about deleted pages, then I think the best thing to
do is to implement some form of nondestructive delete.
But, better to just not fight in the first place. :-)
--Jimbo
p.s. Anyone else who wants sysop, just email me.