Wikipedia-l October 2002

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interlanguage rules
by Matt M. 04 Oct '02

04 Oct '02

> Third, you say that if someone on the French Wikipedia is breaking the > "Wikipedia is not a dictionary" rule, they should be stopped or the rule > changed; but this implies that *all* rules as formulated on the English > Wikipedia are rules for all the rest. This isn't my understanding at > all--at least, if nothing has changed since we last visited this issue, > the non-English Wikipedias enjoy (and in my opinion *should* enjoy) an > extreme amount of autonomy. Indeed, some rules for non-English Wikipedias are actually MORE restrictive - the Esperanto one has a firm rule about not being Anglo/Europo/Americocentric, which is obviously more important in E-o than an English-language Wikipedia. Matt

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trolling
by Daniel Mayer 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

On Wednesday 02 October 2002 11:12 pm, James Zitzmann wrote: > wiki pedista is gay. If you don't have anything productive to say, then don't say anything at all.

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RE: [Wikipedia-l] Case sensitivity
by Poor, Edmund W 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

One good thing about case sensitivity in article URLs is when there are two separate articles: one about a subject in general (a state fair is an exhibition of agricultural products), and another about a particular person, place or thing having the same name (State Fair is a musical by Rodges and Hammerstein). Here are some more examples: * A ring bearer carries the wedding ring up the aisle vs. The Ring Bearer in Tolkien's book. * A big brother as a family role vs. Big Brother (the 1984 bad guy or 1990s TV show). Yes, any of these can be disambiguated with parentheses into their separate articles, or they can be lumped into a single page. But it's easier in enough instances to use case sensitivity, I think. Ed Poor

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Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Case sensitivity
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

Khendon wrote: >If not, surely it's possible to disambigute in other ways? Say, if flirble >meant "big red house", but Flirble meant "a kind of jelly", then flirble >could be a disambiguation page to "flirble (architecture)" and "Flirble >(jelly)". Isn't that making things more complicated than they need to be? kq

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] spanish wikipedia
by James Zitzmann 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

wiki pedista is gay. --- Earn free ringtones - go to: http://www.earnfreeringtones.com/?src=jzcool James's Domain - Your source for Nintendo, Sega, Playstation, Anime, Manga, and more! http://www.jzcool.net On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 12:25:42 wiki pedista wrote: > >Jimbo, > there is people that has suggested that, if >enciclopedia libre wants to belong to the wikipedia >community again, a possibilty is to point >es.wikipedia.org to their site. >You said "I don't think that's acceptable". >I just want to make sure I understand the real >meaning of it. Is it, "in my opinion is not >acceptable, >but if the rest of the comunity, including the >developers >that will handle the techical aspect of it agree, so >will >I", or "I, as the owner of the name es.wikipedia.org >do >not agree"? > >The answer is important, because that will tell the EL >people if they are dealing with the wikipedia >community, >or with Jimbo Wales, owner of wikipedia. > >As for the NPOV, even it is not put so >prominently in their pages, their goal seems to me >the same us ours, create a neutral enciclopedia, >not a collection of opinions. Probably the only think >i consider not very NPOV are some of their references >to wikipedia. If they flagrantly violate the NPOV, >as you think could happen, the enforcement would be >simply point es.wikipedia.org back to the wikipedia >server, copy the contents, do a "fork back" and clean >it up. I do not see the presence on the wikipedia >server as necessary for the NPOV enforcement, then. > >All that said, I do think being in a common server >would be preferable, but a member of their community >(their current webmaster, juanan, for example) should >have developer access to the wikipedia server, to >be able to do maintenance of the software and >database, >and create their own sysops. >That should be true for all wikipedias that have >a size large enough and have a developer-type person >among them. > >AstroNomer > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com >[Wikipedia-l] >To manage your subscription to this list, please go here: >http://www.nupedia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > ____________________________________________________________ Tired of all the SPAM in your inbox? Switch to LYCOS MAIL PLUS http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus

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Re: [Intlwiki-l] cross-fertilization (was Wikipedias)
by Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

On 01-10-2002, Daniel Mayer wrote thusly : > On Tuesday 01 October 2002 12:01 pm, Kpjas wrote: [snip] > The importance of interlange links should not be understated; having them > makes it very easy for bi/multi-lingual contributors to update the same > article in two or more languages ("cross-fertilization"). Another advantage > is that when any language gets increased traffic, this trickles down to the > other languages via the inter-language links. Cross-fertilization. This is such a great idea ! I think it needs much more publicity wherever approporiate. I think we might put a line on main pages and newbie pages asking and motivating bi/multilingual Wikipedists to work on several language versions in parallel. Regards, kpjas.

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Re: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia
by Daniel Mayer 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

On Tuesday 01 October 2002 06:59 am, Vicki wrote: > I wonder if "Huiquipedia" would be more familiar and comfortable to native > speakers of Spanish. I'm not a native Spanish speaker, but I think you are on the right track. Now that Wikipedia is at .org instead of .com, at least one vocal EL contributor doesn't like the fact that the English Wikipedia is at www.wikipedia.org and the other languages are at xx.wikipedia.org/.com. This person seems to take this URL organization literally and thinks this means that the non-English wikipedias are somehow subservient to the English one. Which is reading /way/ too much in a simple URL. I'm already on record stating that each wikipedia language community should eventually be at their own domain which is their language's transliteration of the word "Wikipedia". But if this issue turns out to be an intractable one, I vote for moving the English Wikipedia to en.wikipedia.org -- such a trivial thing is not worth arguing much about. Then all www.wikipedia.org would be is just a gateway to the various projects (I still think this is a waste of a URL but I am willing to acquiesce). -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] AntiWikipedic -- was "the OsmosisTwo pest"
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

>The person who has been repeatedly creating the pages "wikipedic" & >"antiwikipedic" is this same OsmosisTwo person. >Take a look at the deletion log: he keeps creating it again & again. >According to the Vandalism in Progress page, LDC has banned him, but >he's back with another IP. Brion, I, April, and possibly other sysops have all blocked him at one dynamic IP or another, but he seems more persistent than the usual kid. If he doesn't give up soon we may have to escalate, but I still hold out some small hope of reform.

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too many files open
by Poor, Edmund W 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

User:octal has a suggestion: It looks like some of the "too many files open" problems are being caused by the large numbers of session files being used by PHP. Is the site maintaining a session for every anonymous visitor? This might cause the problem. (See www.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php for info on custom session handlers, if you need to store so many sessions but the filesystem is not robust enough, you can move session handling into a database). Either that, or something in the site is dependant on having a lot of concurrent files open. Good luck with wikipedia. -- octal

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] spanish wikipedia
by James Zitzmann 03 Oct '02

03 Oct '02

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