Actually, here is an example of an article I’d urge people to take an interest in and have a go at…
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Israel%27s_Knesset_considers_%27loyalty%27_law
This popped up this morning on Wikinews and was genuinely news to me – none of the big international sources (apart from Al-J) had mentioned it.
If you’re a Wikipedian who has never edited Wikinews…
Brian McNeil
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[mailto:wikinews-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Ilya Haykinson
Sent: 27 May 2009 09:05
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Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l]
Wikipedia's 'In the news'
Wikinews
has evolved into an entity striving towards a few very different goals over the
years:
- be a repository for open-content articles about current events, written
in a newsfeed style
- serve as a collaborative site for emerging events of global importance
- support original reporting efforts ("citizen journalism" by
most people's definition)
Sometimes, Wikinews really shines. For example, Wikinews has proven its ability
to handle very tough situations (earthquakes, bombings, etc) while maintaining
coherent articles and showing development over time. Some of the articles are
truly great testaments to the benefit of a wiki system. We've also had a number
of really, really wonderful local reporting -- on par with any regional
newspaper.
However, from the big-picture perspective, Wikinews cannot reach its goals very
well.
- The "open content" nature of our articles has gotten
appreciated, but hasn't really caught on. Given that each article that just
synthesizes existing news from other sources takes about 2 hours of work to
develop, the time investment doesn't really pay off since very few other sites
(and none of importance) pick up our news stories. The open CC-BY license is
great, and definitely will be appreciated 50 years from now when everyone
charges for their archives, but so far it's not a big draw for consumers of our
content. Compare this with Wikipedia, where the openness of the content allowed
it to be integrated into a lot of popular sites.
- Globally-important emergencies thankfully do not happen very often,
which unfortunately means that Wikinews rarely gets a chance to shine. There's
definitely collaboration on other articles -- I think that I had a statistic
from a few years ago that Wikinews articles receive 18 edits on average over
their lifetime -- but these are not cases of mass collaboration but rather a
small community enforcing certain standards of content and style.
- Despite some great successes and truly wonderful reporting, we have not
been able to move past the contributions of some very dedicated and capable
individuals in creating a sustainable Original Reporting operation. The main
problems here are the global scope of Wikinews, the lack of a sizable active
user base, and the Wikimedia mandate. In more detail:
* Global scope: Since Wikinews is global, we tend to have some
very disjointed "teams" of contributors. There's a handful of active
people from the UK, some from Australia, some from NZ, and a large number from
cities in the US / Canada. At certain times there have been contributors from
India and other English-speaking countries. However, in each case, the number
of active Wikinewsies in a geographical area is counted on one hand. These
people, more often than not, are interested in working on articles with a
global scope rather than of local interest. Even if one contributor really
excels and creates great Original Reporting, when they invariably burn out
their city or country becomes no longer represented. At the global scope,
however, there's rarely motivation or capacity for users to do truly great
original reporting: the news and the newsmakers are too far away to be
interviewed.
* Lack of a sizable active user base: The site has settled into a
predictable pattern, where less than a hundred active users tend to maintain
most of the copywriting, editing, and janitorial duties. Readers, on the other
hand, rarely get turned from casual-reader to active-contributor. While not
unique to Wikinews, this problem for us turns into a shortage of workable news stories.
A large number of casual-contributors would have allowed us to have a lot of
short news stories: starting a story and getting it to the 90% mark is the bulk
of the work, and tends to be done by the initial author in a lot of cases. The
fewer people that are around to spend that one to two hours starting a story,
the fewer actual stories we can publish.
* Wikimedia mandate: the NPOV, notability, and newsfeed-style
approaches limit Wikinews to a great degree. While these are the very things
that I personally find so compelling about Wikinews, they undoubtely restrict
our ability to operate to the detriment of the site's popularity and
attractiveness. There's a great deal of people who start one-line stories
dealing with some local event; usually it's written poorly and does not match
our style, or is very opinionated, or is just plain untenable for a site with
any sort of a global focus. By not having a policy infrastructure of
effectively dealing with these short starts, we not only throw out some story
ideas (that maybe aren't great) but we also scare away contributors who wrote
these short starts (who maybe would have been happy enough to see their
contributions published to stay and develop into better contributors).
In all, I don't see how these trends will change unless we radically alter the
Wikinews parameters of operation. My belief is that the only method that could
yield long-term success would be to transition to having a "news" tab
for Wikipedia articles -- and use some of the know-how in operating Wikinews as
a method of developing policies on WP. This is clearly a big deal, and would
effectively kill Wikinews -- however, I think that the current situation is not
very sustainable.
There are other options too -- over the years there've been discussions of
spinning off Wikinews, or getting funded for some WN-specific software
development, etc. If there are good ideas that were left in a dustbin before,
maybe it's worth dusting them off now.
-ilya haykinson
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Brion Vibber <brion@wikimedia.org> wrote:
El 5/26/09 4:28 AM, Fred Bauder escribió:
>
Wikipedia needs to do what is good for Wikipedia, and some news coverage
> is good for Wikipedia. Detailed original reporting is outside Wikipedia's
> mission, as is a sophisticated presentation of the significance of news.
> As things happen, information about them is added to the corpus of human
> knowledge and thus added to Wikipedia.
Wikinews does relatively
little to really support firsthand reporting
either. I'll admit I'm not a hardcore Wikinewsie, but what I've seen
over the last years has generally been either:
* Original interviews
or
* Re-reporting of news stories in other media
Look at today's top stories:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Trial_against_Church_of_Scientology_begins_in_France
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/North_Korea_conducts_test_of_nuclear_weapon
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Obama_nominates_Sonia_Sotomayor_to_U.S._Supreme_Court
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Cyclone_in_Bay_of_Bengal_kills_at_least_17
All four are just rehashes of information found at other news sites --
the sources are all media news outlets: CNN, BBC, Al-Jazeera, Reuters, etc.
There is an original reporting section:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Portal:Original_reporting
but the stories are relatively rare, and even many of those seem to be
basically "a public event happened, here's a description" or "a
press
conference happened, here's some info".
Wikinews lacks a local angle (there's no locality) or a unifying
political angle (we're supposed to be neutral), either of which could
make it much easier to organize original reporting. Compare with say
Indynews, which has a strong political angle and has been much more
active about providing infrastructure. Editorial quality sometimes
suffers, but I at least feel like they've got a mission...
-- brion
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