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I'm not regular writer and doubt if I'll ever be.
But for some reason/coincidence I followed the bitching between you.
First I agreed (just nodded to myself actually) when I though the 'words' were inappropriate. Now that I find out it is 'not' what you meant ... So ... What is it to you?
I think that 'bad language' is the problem here. Not the fact that someone has a 'judgement' issue.
Anyone/Everyone has the right to judge judgement issues and personality issues as long as the other party chose to go public (This is Wikipedia... Excuse me!!!!). That's democracy!
If I were you I'd stick to complaining in the old fashioned way... Public behavior issues: like NOT SWEARING and not NOT USING INAPPROPRIATE WORDS like "Asshole" ... Etc.
That's an intrusion on morality and privacy - I don't (neither do children and other decent clean people) have to read another person's "bad" language, even if it makes this person feel glorious, as a "Hole".
-------Original Message-------
From: bawolff
Date: 02/06/09 02:22:49
Subject: Re: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en] First off, sorry - my email was far from being well thought out, and I
apologize if it seems as if I was singling you out.
However I still think such behavior is not appropriate. And no, I do
not mean swearing, I am referring to the content of messages. For
example: "But no, you've gotta be an asshole just like always" is not
offensive because you used the word asshole, it is offensive because
you're implying the other person is being disruptive and shows bad
judgement currently, and on a regular basis. It is a dirrect attack on
the other person's personality. I don't know if you meant it like
that, but if you did it is simply not an effective way to solve a
dispute, and if it wasn't - I'm really not sure what else you could of
meant by that, but regardless it is an inappropriate thing to say to
someone else either way.
Administrators are, for better or worse, the standard of what is
appropriate, and as such should be careful to set a good example. I am
concerned that such incivility will only lead to more incivility,
resentment and grudges, until eventually wikinews will no longer be a
friendly place to edit.
-bawolff
p.s. Again I would like to apologize for my previous email. Although I
do believe that there are issues that should be worked out here, it
was inappropriate of me to target SGN in my previous email, while
implying I wasn't targeting anyone. Although that partly happened
because that was something that was currently happening, and thus it
was easy to pull examples from, that's still not an excuse. Sorry.
On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Jon <wiki@konsoletek.com> wrote:
> ROFLCOPTER. Ah, thanks for that Bawolff, that made for a good laugh this
> morning.
>
> I'd like to take this brief moment to point out that if these are random
> samplings, then apparently I'm the devil of EN.Wikinews, because 3 of the 4
> comments are me (For the kids playing along at home, you can try the "Guess
> which comment _isn't SGN" game. I'll give you a hint, look for rampant
> swearing). Another factoid is that all 4 of these comments came from just 2
> threads. The even funnier and less statistically random part of these
> selected entries, is that all 4 of them are directed at the same user. I
> won't name names, because frankly everyone already knows who and why.
>
> So to the topic at hand. Was my commentary rude? Probably (In fact someone
> did leave me an incivility note about one of the threads). Was it uncalled
> for? I don't think so. I will apologize for swearing, but I won't apologize
> for being human and having emotions. Yes, I go off the handle on occasion,
> I try to play nicely, but sometimes it happens. I generally apologize
> afterwards.
>
>
>
> In the same respects I've seen others of us "go off" for one reason or
> another around the wiki and around IRC. We're all human (ok, at least most
> of us are) and we all have certain things that make us angry. I've had
> other users go off on me, and I don't expect them to be banned because of
> it. Once everyone is calmed down, everything is back to normal.
>
>
>
> Oh, and lastly to address your subject line, that we have rising incivility,
> I really don't think so. Granted I don't have years of experience with
> Wikinews to draw on. But from what I've seen about the wiki, it is no worse
> than it was 6 months ago, and no worse and any other wiki. And really, you
> can't pull this commentary out of context and say "It's ok to pull it out of
> context" because it's not. Context gives meaning to everything. IMHO for
> the one comment that wasn't me, what was done to the user that wrote that
> was far worse (and FAR FAR FAR more discouraging) than what that user wrote
> back in reply.
>
>
>
> -Jon "The Devil of EN.WN"
>
> [[User:ShakataGaNai]]
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 21:34, bawolff <bawolff+wn@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [I happened to stumble upon what appears to be an aftermath of an edit
>> war, and am quite disgusted by it. The following is basically a rant
>> about it, as I'm not really sure how best to bring it up]
>>
>>
>> I've recently noticed a marked increased in incivility between
>> contributors on Wikinews. I find this really disturbing as it is often
>> between admins who one would think know better. For example (And I'm
>> not trying to pick on anyone, these are just some random ones i came
>> across):
>>
>> *"But no, you've gotta be an asshole just like always"
>> *"A small amount of brain activity would lead to the presumption that
>> someone in my position knows what they're doing"
>> *"I suggest you get the fuck off your high horse or get the fuck out of
>> dodge"
>> *"they are _MY_ comment sections and _I_ can write what ever the hell _I_
>> want."
>>
>> Now, I know I am taking these out of context, but to be blunt I don't
>> care if the context was responding to poop vandalism - It is
>> incredibly inappropriate for admins to say these things under any
>> circumstances. If these were new users making these comments, they
>> would have been blocked in the neighborhood of 2 weeks to a year,
>> maybe even indefinitely.
>>
>> How can we really expect to recruit and retain new contributors, when
>> this is how the long time contributors are treated?
>>
>> -Bawolff
>>
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