Dear All,
 
I would like to explain why Myanmar computer users conception on font.
 
1. As mentioned in Ko Ngwe Tun's previous discussion, we use internet cafe computers and have less option for installing new fonts or browser based addon.
 
2. Myanmar Unicode has history of breaking previous version and luck of migration support. It is rather strange that there is NO convertor available for myanmar1 (Unicode 4.0) to myanmar2 (Unicode 4.1) or myanmar2 to myanmar3 (Unicode 5.1). People don't trust to follow Myanmar Unicode now. People even think Unicode Font is government stuff.  
 
3. Unicode font are not redistributation (yes wrong, but it is what people think). This result low uptake of Unicode Font on web site. A web site will not be happy to ask visitor to welcome with "please go to this web site to install Unicode 5.1 font". A preferable solution is as provided by Zawgyi publisher that freely redistribute on any web site. 
 
4. Free Unicode fonts offer low quality. As webmastering in many web sites, I know all three Unicode 5.1 fonts are not visually acceptable quality. 
 
5. Unicode font input methods are low quality, extra cost or branding. Zawgyi uers has long being enjoy phonetic input.
 
I really think Myanmar Unicode uptake will take a long way, may be two more years at least to change the people perception.
 
Myanmar Wikipedia should not take the burdon. At bottom line, Wkipedia is providing knowledge, not font. Also people don't think Wikipedia is good enough to install a new font.
 
One thing to Mr Everson. I know Unicode standard fonts are the way to go and Zawgyi is not. He talked a lot of rubbish. In this mailing list, everybody understand important of Standard. But most don't know is how to make the Standard widely use.
 
Best regards,
Okisan 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Andrew Cunningham <lang.support@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all

2008/7/25 Jimmy Wales <jwales@wikia.com>

Michael Everson wrote:

> I see your point, though in terms of Zawgyi we
> have a body of people who philosophically refuse
> to upgrade.

That's odd.  What reasons do they give?


Probably many reasons. Similar to the Vietnamese encoding wars before the widespread adoption of Unicode.

And i suspect that lack of wide spread font rendering/text layout solutions is part of that

But the prevalent use of that font in web pages and blogs is another factor

But as Jimmy commented on about communities building up, I suspect that Zawgyi has had such a similar phenomenon, it is a mechanism of display etxt in various social networks that have evolved on the internet. So people becoem atatched to it.

But proper support of Burmese and minority langauges do call for Unicode 5.1 compliant solutions both short and long term.

As Michael indicates it is important to have solutions in place for Sanskirt and minority langauges as well as Burmese on my.wikipedia.org. To his list i'd also add Pali.

I find myself in a difficult position, working for a state library, a SA. I have to support licesing and copyright. Wether its open source, creative commons, a commercial EULA. And Myanmar Unicode 5.1 solutions are relatively hampered in the Windows environment by licensing issues.

Being involved with W3C inetrnationalisation activities, I strongly support web standards and best practice, esp with respect to internationalisation and accessibility (in its broadest sense) and from that perspective Unicode 5.1 is the best approach.

I'd agrue their should be a single community building articles for wikipedia in Burmese. perosnally transcoding for end users is an posisble interim measure. Although I'd suggets that editors are encouraged and aided in migrating to Unicode 5.1, and that transcoding is left to supporting thaose end users that require it.

Michael and others, I'd like to assist in analysing the fonts and CSS if there is anyway I could help.

--
Andrew Cunningham
Vicnet Research and Development Coordinator
State Library of Victoria
Australia

andrewc@vicnet.net.au
lang.support@gmail.com

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