On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:
> Kyaw Tun wrote:
>
>> What is myanmarwikipedia.org <http://myanmarwikipedia.org/>? How did you
>> get permission to use our name? Did you ask anyone before doing this?
>> I don't need any permission for domain registration.
>>
>
> No, but it is our longstanding custom that people should not use the name
> "Wikipedia" for a separate website without asking first. Are you planning
> to use this for-profit? Who is the owner of it? Will you donate the domain
> name to the Foundation and assure me that you are not trying to separate the
> Myanmar community from Wikipedia?
What do you mean NO?
I respect "Wikipedia", but not you.
It is not for profit and also mean content for my.wikipedia.org.
However the donation will NOT go to my.wikipedia.org.
We will NOT donate the domain name, instead I request the Foundation to
lease temporary domain name of zawgyi.wikipedia.org. This will assue that
the Foundation has some control of our work.
It is rather appreance that myanmarwikipedia.org is to seperate Myanmar
community, for those who love Zawgyi and for those who love Unicode 5.1.
>
>
> What do you mean "costly"? There is ZERO COST to what Michael is
>> proposing.
>> We need to discuss at length for this issue.
>>
>
> Yes, I am glad we will now have a mailing list so I can understand what you
> mean.
>
>
>
Could you clearify that Mr Eversion's proposed translation task is ZERO COST
or not?
Dear Erik Moeller,
I would like to know public consumption policy of this mailing thread (
wikimy-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org).
Can I use some potion of this mailing list archive can be quoted in public
forum or blog?
Thanks,
Okisan
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>
wrote:
> At 09:25 +0900 2008-07-24, Kyaw Tun wrote:
> >Dear All,
> >
> >I have forwarded my proposal of creating new Wikipedia with Zawgyi
> >font to Mr Wales. This show our purpose of creating
> ><http://myanmarwikipedia.org>myanmarwikipedia.org as well as
> >imitating Wikipedia theme. I wish he also forward his reply too.
>
> The Zawgyi font is not compliant with Unicode and I will have nothing
> to do with it.
Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> >Zawgyi encoding is non-standard and have to be eliminated grandually
> >by Unicode 5.1 encoded font. But for the time being, people don't
> >like other font than Zawgyi.
>
> Htoo Myint Naung have been talking only about my.wikipedia.org. We
> want to get that working correctly, to ensure that recommended fonts
> are *actually* Unicode compliant, and to ensure that appropriate
> input methods are available for users, again, cross-platform if
> possible.
Please keep trying. But also note there are three FOSS Unicode 5.1 fonts
(parabaik, myanmar3, padauk) available since 2008 April. Also check out our
Keymagic <http://code.google.com/p/keymagic/>,
Buglish<http://code.google.com/p/burglish/>and WaitZar
<http://code.google.com/p/waitzar/>project for input method implementation.
>
>
> >So I suggest you to make a temporary Zawgyi encoded Myanmar
> >Wikipedia sharing the same database with
> ><http://my.wikipedia.org/>my.wikipedia.org. So people can happily
> >contribute. You can terminate Zawgyi wikipedia in appriorate time.
>
> I think it would be better for that to continue as it is. Once the
> my.wikipedia.org is working then content from the other site could be
> migrated.
Sure. Let me know if you need any help. We will provide Unicode 5.1 version
too. Conversion is already in the pipeline.
>
>
> >We be note our home page do not contain commerical outbound links as
> >you can see home page of <http://my.wikipedia.org/>my.wikipedia.org.
>
> What "commercial outbound links"?
Check out your main page archive.
>
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Best regards,
Okisan
I am very sorry, Mr Everson. I thought you ask me about it.
We have already been defeated in my.wikipedia.org.
Good luck,
Okisan
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:01 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>
wrote:
> At 09:09 +0900 2008-07-24, Kyaw Tun wrote:
>
>> It is Users Myanmar Wikipedia. Please find more information there.
>>
>
> I am here to discuss http:// my.wikipedia.org and I have no interest in
> http://myanmarwikipedia.org.
>
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>
Thank for your input Mr Everson.
I will wait other repsonse.
Best,
Okisan
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>
wrote:
> At 13:44 +0900 2008-07-24, Kyaw Tun wrote:
> >Dear Erik Moeller,
> >
> >I would like to know public consumption policy of this mailing
> >thread
> >(<mailto:wikimy-l@lists.wikimedia.org>wikimy-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org).
> >
> >Can I use some potion of this mailing list archive can be quoted in
> >public forum or blog?
>
> I would not prefer for this archive discussion to be quoted in a
> public forum or blog. I understood that this was a private forum for
> discussion.
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 3:51 AM
Subject: Re: Discussion list for Myanmar font issues
To: Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>, kyawtuns(a)gmail.com
Cc: Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com>, Htoo Myint Naung <vox(a)technomation.org>
At 11:33 -0700 2008-07-23, Erik Moeller wrote:
> Okisan, Michael,
>
> I'd like to suggest the creation of a wikimy-l mailing list on the
> Wikimedia Foundation servers, as a place we could use to discuss the
> font issues affecting the Myanmar Wikipedia, and the way we can work
> towards a maximally open & free solution. I will also add Jimmy to
> that mailing list.
>
Htoo Myint Naung will need to be added for the list to be useful. I would
like to state that Htoo and I were trying to make some headway on solutions
before Okisan started criticizing us, unfairly, on public forums.
I oppose the use of word headway, since we did our
wiki<http://www.myanmarwikipedia.org/>in two days. You can ask any
Myanmar, which web site is better to get a
straight answer. There is nothing as technology barrier that Micheal Everson
claim continuously.
Yes, I never like private messaging. This email list better. Thanks.
Does that make sense to you? I didn't find any existing list that would
> serve this purpose,
>
I run myanmar(a)evertype.com for discussion of encoding matters, but that is a
bit different.
and I think it'll make the conversation easier to follow for people who are
> not on <my.wikipedia.org>.
>
The conversation there is certainly not easy to follow.
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Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com