Changes to "Edits" and "Pages Created" metrics - Wikimetrics

Tighe Flanagan

19 Sep 19 Sep

11:43 a.m.

I think this would be useful in the cohorts I track on various wikis. Especially the way you describe with the option to include or not include it in the configuration. As a side note -- how does Wikimetrics take into account wikis that have auto patrol or pending changes enabled (for instance, a user makes an edit but it might not get approved right away)? Thanks, Tighe -- Tighe Flanagan Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 x6880 tflanagan(a)wikimedia.org education.wikimedia.org On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Kevin Leduc <kevin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Dear Wikimetrics users, We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but first we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do. "Edits" & "Pages Created" Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted (archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit. We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages. The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics. We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report - you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages. Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no strong objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday. Regards, Kevin Leduc Analytics Product Manager _______________________________________________ Wikimetrics mailing list Wikimetrics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

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Richard Nevell

8:06 p.m.

Reporting on deleted contributions sounds like a useful function. Would the same be available for bytes added? Could the report breakdown edits and deleted edits so you can see what proportion survived? On 19 September 2014 06:14, Edward Galvez <egalvez(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Hi Kevin, Thanks for checking on this list. I can't think of a reason this would be a big problem, especially since you're giving the option to uncheck. Would you mind sharing the language that you'll be using for the check boxes? There are many non-english or non-native english speakers who will be using Wikimetrics. Thanks! Edward On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tighe Flanagan <tflanagan(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

I think this would be useful in the cohorts I track on various wikis. Especially the way you describe with the option to include or not include it in the configuration. As a side note -- how does Wikimetrics take into account wikis that have auto patrol or pending changes enabled (for instance, a user makes an edit but it might not get approved right away)? Thanks, Tighe -- Tighe Flanagan Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 x6880 tflanagan(a)wikimedia.org education.wikimedia.org On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Kevin Leduc <kevin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Dear Wikimetrics users, We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but first we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do. "Edits" & "Pages Created" Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted (archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit. We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages. The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics. We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report - you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages. Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no strong objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday. Regards, Kevin Leduc Analytics Product Manager _______________________________________________ Wikimetrics mailing list Wikimetrics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

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Edward Galvez

1 Oct 1 Oct

3:31 a.m.

Hi all, I wanted to follow up with this. Will the Bytes added metric also include bytes added/removed from deleted pages? Thanks! Edward On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Nuria <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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At this time the report will report just the 'edit' count but will not make differentiate among deleted and non deleted pages. On Sep 19, 2014, at 4:06 AM, Richard Nevell < richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Reporting on deleted contributions sounds like a useful function. Would the same be available for bytes added? Could the report breakdown edits and deleted edits so you can see what proportion survived? On 19 September 2014 06:14, Edward Galvez <egalvez(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Hi Kevin, Thanks for checking on this list. I can't think of a reason this would be a big problem, especially since you're giving the option to uncheck. Would you mind sharing the language that you'll be using for the check boxes? There are many non-english or non-native english speakers who will be using Wikimetrics. Thanks! Edward On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tighe Flanagan <tflanagan(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

I think this would be useful in the cohorts I track on various wikis. Especially the way you describe with the option to include or not include it in the configuration. As a side note -- how does Wikimetrics take into account wikis that have auto patrol or pending changes enabled (for instance, a user makes an edit but it might not get approved right away)? Thanks, Tighe -- Tighe Flanagan Manager, Wikipedia Education Program Wikimedia Foundation +1.415.839.6885 x6880 tflanagan(a)wikimedia.org education.wikimedia.org On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Kevin Leduc <kevin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Dear Wikimetrics users, We want to make a change to two metrics in Wikimetrics next week but first we want to hear if you have any comments on what we're about to do. "Edits" & "Pages Created" Currently these metrics do not take into account pages that were deleted (archived). For example, if yesterday I created a page, made an edit and deleted that same page, the reports would not count my created page or edit. We plan to update these metrics to include work done on deleted pages. The result could be slightly higher numbers in reports off these metrics. We also plan to make this behavior configurable when creating a report - you can uncheck the default to include deleted pages. Please comment before Tuesday September 23rd 2014. If there are no strong objections, we will update the metrics the following Thursday. Regards, Kevin Leduc Analytics Product Manager _______________________________________________ Wikimetrics mailing list Wikimetrics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

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-- Edward Galvez Program Evaluation Associate Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikimetrics mailing list Wikimetrics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

-- Richard Nevell Assistant Office Manager Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimetrics mailing list Wikimetrics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics _______________________________________________ Wikimetrics mailing list Wikimetrics(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimetrics

-- Edward Galvez Program Evaluation Associate Wikimedia Foundation

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