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Hi Lourie and Maarten
WikiAfrica is very keen to support a Wiki Loves Monuments in South Africa,
and indeed across Africa - we have been looking a this very subject (great
minds obviously think alike!). Perhaps we could all meet to try to
co-ordinate a campaign and draw attention to Wikipedia in the process??
When is good for any of you - perhaps when Maarten is back after the 6th?
Warmest
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> 1. Re: Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop (Heather Ford)
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> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:21:15 -0800
> From: Heather Ford <
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> To: Kerryn McKay <
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> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki
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> +1 yay! fab idea :)
>
> On Feb 16, 2012, at 3:59 AM, Kerryn McKay wrote:
>
>> Hi Lourie
>>
>> Yep, I'm with you. I think this is a great project, and - as you mentioned
>> to me offline - really accessible for people to take part in and contribute.
>> Some cool ideas also around it - we could organise an upload party where we
>> could have a stall somewhere (at a university or shopping centre on a certain
>> day) where we could help people upload their pics there and then.
>>
>> I'm also happy to chat - maybe we could get together on skype even?
>>
>> Kerryn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * * * *
>> Kerryn McKay
>> The African Commons Project
>>
>> 082 334 6165
>> skype: kerrynmac
>> twitter: kerrynmckay
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Lourie Pieterse <
louriepieterse@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> Hello Maarten
>>
>> It is nice hearing from you again! It sounds to me like a wonderful idea, and
>> I am sure that there will be some South Africans who would like to
>> participate in this competition. What do the others from Wikimedia ZA think?
>> I would definitely be interested to meet up with you and discuss the
>> possibilities. When are you again in the Cape Town
area?
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Lourie
>>
>> From: MADe <
MADe@wikipedia.be>
>> To:
wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Very nice to see all the activities on the smaller South African language
>> wikis! Hopefully this means a start for those projects. I have another idea
>> to get some more things happening.
>>
>> In Belgium I started the "Wiki Loves Monuments" competition. The goal for the
>> participants was to take a picture of a heritage site and to post them on
>>
Wikicommons. The best images were selected and they could win a variety of
>> prices (Belgium: iPad). It was part of a bigger European contest (18
>> countries). The goal was to attract new contributors to the wiki projects,
>> and for Belgium to gather some wikipedians to start our own Belgian wiki
>> chapter.
>>
>> The competition itself was fairly simple to organise. The European organisers
>> provided tools, a website, logos, a dedicated Wiki Commons upload tool, ...
>> and also funding (10,000 ZAR). We made the translations (Belgium alone: five
>> languages), we searched for our own jury, we searched for Belgian prices, and
>> we got into contact with government organisations that helped us with a venue
>> for the price ceremony and some more practical things.
>>
>> The result was fantastic. 170.000 new images in Europe, of
which 6000 in
>> Belgium. Lots or media attention for the competition. At least 50 (!) new
>> Belgian members that started working on Wikicommons or Wikipedia itself. A
>> solid group of people that wanted to work on our own chapter. We established
>> good contacts with government organisations that suddenly understood
>> Wikipedia is not a black box but made by real people. Nice media coverage on
>> the competition.
>>
>> The European competition will be organised in September of this year. They
>> would really enjoy SA to join in, and I'm sure WMF can help us with most of
>> the funding. I think this is an easy way to get the attention of new people,
>> especially from poorer regions (if we provide the necessary translations).
>>
>> Who is interested to get more information, or to help with the organisation?
>> We can meet in
Cape Town, Durban or Johannesburg (I'm almost everywhere for
>> my current job<338.gif>)
>>
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Maarten
>>
>> BE: +32 475 21 38 35
>> ZA: +27 71 491 31 38
>> Skype: mdeneckere
>>
>> 2012/2/14 Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Ian is absolutely right. Although the workshops them selves tend to create a
>> number of articles creating a community of dedicated editors for Xhosa
>> language Wikipedia will be a very big challenge that I think will take a long
>> time. On the up side people are very eager and interested but on the down
>> side, as Ian has mentioned, there are still problems with basic computer
>> literacy and access to
computers/internet. I suspect that it will take a
>> number of workshops followed by some sort of program such as one (and this is
>> only an idea right now) whereby teachers use Xhosa Wikipedia to test their
>> students translating abilities thereby creating a self perpetuating process
>> that continually exposes new people to editing that wiki.
>>
>> As I mentioned to Ian on Saturday I think that a big part of creating a
>> healthy community of editors on Wikipedia is finding enough people with the
>> right type of personality that is at home using a computer. I think that is
>> as much a numbers game as anything else which means spending a long time
>> exposing as many people as possible to the idea and process of editing
>> Wikipedia. A process that is made harder by relatively low rates of computer
>> literacy. But then
again we must start from some where I suppose. Either
>> way, more work and support is needed and so long as I have free time and am
>> in Cape Town I am happy help.
>>
>> P.S. Thanks for checking the stats Ian. To be frank I am delighted that one
>> extra substantial edit was made since the workshop on Saturday. That in its
>> self is a 0.7% increase! :-D
>>
>>
>> On 14 February 2012 00:02, Heather Ford <
hfordsa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you so much, Ian. Appreciate it.
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Ian Gilfillan wrote:
>>
>>>> Great :) I'd be really interested to know whether people continued to edit
>>>> after the workshop if you could share.
>>> To try answer Heather, the article count
went from 125, which it has been
>>> stuck at since at least November 2011, to 131 during the class, and there
>>> has only been one substantial edit from any of the participants on the
>>> weekend (a new article, increasing the count to 132) since the workshop, so
>>> the answer seems to be no.
>>>
>>> The workshop was 2 hours, and, briefly, we hoped to teach creating a user
>>> account, creating or editing (via translation from English) an article,
>>> adding links, adding a picture, and I wanted to add interwiki links to the
>>> list as well. Everyone created or edited an article, and most, if not
>>> everyone, added links, though only some could create a user account due to
>>> IP limits, and very few got to adding an image or interwiki links. Douglas
>>> goes into more details in his post.
>>>
>>> It's more complicated to add links in Xhosa than in English due to the way
>>> prefixes are used in the language, so quite often an article may exist, but
>>> the link doesn't point to it, and there are already duplicate articles for
>>> this reason.
>>>
>>> There is still such a barrier with basic computer use, that I found a
>>> substantial portion of the class was showing people how to maximize and
>>> minimize windows, how to open a new tab or window, etc, and I got the sense
>>> that there wasn't always a real understanding of why the various steps were
>>> being performed, which reduces the chances of them being repeatable outside
>>> of the class.
>>>
>>> The one article that was created afterwards is an orphan, with no incoming
>>> or outgoing links.
>>>
>>> There was a lot of enthusiasm, so hopefully having a followup quite soon
>>> will keep the interest and momentum going, but I would expect there to be
>>> not much sustained activity as a result of the workshop alone.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ian Gilfillan
>>> www.greenman.co.za
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> WikimediaZA mailing list
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https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaza>>
>> Heather Ford
>> www.ethnographymatters.net
>> @hfordsa on Twitter
>>
http://hblog.org>>
>>
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> From: Lourie Pieterse <
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> Hi Maarten
>
> Did you get this email? It would suite me best if we can decide on a time and
> place today, because I need to plan for the weekend. Thanks.
>
> Lourie
>
>
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>> From: Lourie Pieterse <
louriepieterse@yahoo.com>
>> To: MADe <
MADe@wikipedia.be>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from
Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop
>>
>>
>> Happy to hear that!?Saturday?morning should be fine; where and when would
>> suite you best?
>>
>>
>> Lourie
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: MADe <
MADe@wikipedia.be>
>>> To: Lourie Pieterse <
louriepieterse@yahoo.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Lourie,
>>>
>>> I didn't forget you: I tried to use the sudden interest in the WM SA to find
>>> some more interested
people.
>>>
>>> I'm arrived yesterday in Cape Town. We could meet on Saturday morning? On
>>> Saturday afternoon I leave CT again, to come back only on the 5th of March.
>>> We could meet in March, too.
>>>
>>> My cellphone: 071 41 31 38
>>>
>>> Grtz,
>>> Maarten
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/2/16 Lourie Pieterse <
louriepieterse@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> Hello Maarten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is nice hearing from you again! It sounds to me like a wonderful idea,
>>>> and I am sure that there will be some South Africans who would like to
>>>> participate in this competition. What do the others from Wikimedia ZA
>>>> think? I
would?definitely?be interested to meet up with you and discuss the
>>>> possibilities. When are you again in the Cape Town area?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Lourie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: MADe <
MADe@wikipedia.be>
>>>>> To:
wikimediaza@lists.wikimedia.org>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia ZA] Pictures from Saturday's Xhosa Wiki Workshop
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Very nice
to see all the activities on the smaller South African language
>>>>> wikis! Hopefully this means a start for those projects. I have another
>>>>> idea to get some more things happening.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Belgium I started the "Wiki Loves Monuments" competition. The goal for
>>>>> the participants was to take a picture of a heritage site and to post them
>>>>> on Wikicommons. The best images were selected and they could win a variety
>>>>> of prices (Belgium: iPad). It was part of a bigger European contest (18
>>>>> countries). The goal was to attract new contributors to the wiki projects,
>>>>> and for Belgium to gather some wikipedians to start our own Belgian wiki
>>>>> chapter.
>>>>>
>>>>> The competition itself was fairly simple to
organise. The European
>>>>> organisers provided tools, a website, logos, a dedicated Wiki Commons
>>>>> upload tool,? ... and also funding (10,000 ZAR). We made the translations
>>>>> (Belgium alone: five languages), we searched for our own jury, we searched
>>>>> for Belgian prices, and we got into contact with government organisations
>>>>> that helped us with a venue for the price ceremony and some more practical
>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> The result was fantastic. 170.000 new images in Europe, of which 6000 in
>>>>> Belgium. Lots or media attention for the competition. At least 50 (!) new
>>>>> Belgian members that started working on Wikicommons or Wikipedia itself. A
>>>>> solid group of people that wanted to work on our own chapter.
We
>>>>> established good contacts with government organisations that suddenly
>>>>> understood Wikipedia is not a black box but made by real people. Nice
>>>>> media coverage on the competition.
>>>>>
>>>>> The European competition will be organised in September of this year. They
>>>>> would really enjoy SA to join in, and I'm sure WMF can help us with most
>>>>> of the funding. I think this is an easy way to get the attention of new
>>>>> people, especially from poorer regions (if we provide the necessary
>>>>> translations).
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is interested to get more information, or to help with the
>>>>> organisation? We can meet in Cape Town, Durban or Johannesburg (I'm almost
>>>>> everywhere for my current
job)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Grtz,
>>>>> Maarten
>>>>>
>>>>> BE: +32 475 21 38 35
>>>>> ZA: +27 71 491 31 38
>>>>> Skype: mdeneckere
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/2/14 Douglas Scott <
douglas.i.scott@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian is?absolutely?right. Although the workshops them selves tend to
>>>>>> create a number of articles creating a?community?of dedicated editors for
>>>>>> Xhosa?language?Wikipedia will be a very big?challenge?that I think will
>>>>>> take a long time. ?On the up side
people are very eager and interested
>>>>>> but on the down side, as Ian has mentioned, there are still problems with
>>>>>> basic computer?literacy and access to computers/internet. ?I suspect that
>>>>>> it will take a number of workshops followed by some sort of program such
>>>>>> as one (and this is only an idea right now) whereby teachers use Xhosa
>>>>>> Wikipedia to test their students translating abilities thereby creating a
>>>>>> self perpetuating process that?continually?exposes new people to editing
>>>>>> that wiki. ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I mentioned to Ian on Saturday I think that a big part of creating a
>>>>>> healthy community of editors on Wikipedia is finding enough people
with
>>>>>> the right type of personality that is at home using a computer. ?I think
>>>>>> that is as much a numbers game as anything else which means spending a
>>>>>> long time exposing as many people as possible to the idea and process of
>>>>>> editing Wikipedia. A process that is made harder by?relatively?low rates
>>>>>> of computer literacy. ?But then again we must start from some where I
>>>>>> suppose. ?Either way, more work and support is needed and so long as I
>>>>>> have free time and am in Cape Town I am happy help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S. Thanks for checking the stats Ian. ?To be frank I am delighted that
>>>>>> one extra?substantial?edit was made since the workshop on Saturday.
?That
>>>>>> in its self is a 0.7% increase! :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 February 2012 00:02, Heather Ford <
hfordsa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much, Ian. Appreciate it.?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Ian Gilfillan wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great :) I'd be really interested to know whether people continued to
>>>>>>> edit after the workshop if you could share.
>>>>>>>>> To try answer Heather, the article count went from 125, which it has
>>>>>>>>> been stuck at since at least
November 2011, to 131 during the class,
>>>>>>>>> and there has only been one substantial edit from any of the
>>>>>>>>> participants on the weekend (a new article, increasing the count to
>>>>>>>>> 132) since the workshop, so the answer seems to be no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The workshop was 2 hours, and, briefly, we hoped to teach creating a
>>>>>>>> user account, creating or editing (via translation from English) an
>>>>>>>> article, adding links, adding a picture, and I wanted to add interwiki
>>>>>>>> links to the list as well. Everyone created or edited an article, and
>>>>>>>> most, if not everyone, added links, though only some could create a
>>>>>>>> user account due to IP
limits, and very few got to adding an image or
>>>>>>>> interwiki links. Douglas goes into more details in his post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's more complicated to add links in Xhosa than in English due to the
>>>>>>>> way prefixes are used in the language, so quite often an article may
>>>>>>>> exist, but the link doesn't point to it, and there are already
>>>>>>>> duplicate articles for this reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is still such a barrier with basic computer use, that I found a
>>>>>>>> substantial portion of the class was showing people how to maximize and
>>>>>>>> minimize windows, how to open a new tab or window, etc, and I got the
>>>>>>>> sense that
there wasn't always a real understanding of why the various
>>>>>>>> steps were being performed, which reduces the chances of them being
>>>>>>>> repeatable outside of the class.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The one article that was created afterwards is an orphan, with no
>>>>>>>> incoming or outgoing links.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was a lot of enthusiasm, so hopefully having a followup quite
>>>>>>>> soon will keep the interest and momentum going, but I would expect
>>>>>>>> there to be not much sustained activity as a result of the workshop
>>>>>>>> alone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ian
Gilfillan
>>>>>>>> www.greenman.co.za
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> WikimediaZA mailing list
>>>>>>>>
WikimediaZA@lists.wikimedia.org>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heather Ford?
>>>>>>> www.ethnographymatters.net?
>>>>>>> @hfordsa on Twitter
>>>>>>>
http://hblog.org>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Douglas Ian Scott
>>>>>> ???
>>>>>> Skype:? douglas0scott
>>>>>> UK mobile number: +44
(0)755 452 5277
>>>>>> Chinese mobile number: +86? 1 364 330 7351
>>>>>> South African mobile number: +27 (0)79 515 8727
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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