There&#39;s no real logic to comparisons based on national boundaries either -- there&#39;s no fundamental reason why, for example, a Serbian Wikipedian and a Macedonian Wikipedian &quot;deserve&quot; two votes, while a Californian Wikipedian and a Floridan Wikipedian only &quot;deserve&quot; one.  Wikipedia activity has little, if anything, to do with particular countries, beyond the fact that those countries serve as convenient geographical delineators.<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Mr. Gregory Varnum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gregory.varnum@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregory.varnum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div>I&#39;m not sure comparing Europe as a whole to the US is a fair comparison. :/ There are numerous differences between countries and continents.</div><div><br></div><div>By the logic of population comparisons, India and China should each have 100 votes.</div>
<div class="im"><div><div><br></div>-Greg<div><br><div>____________</div><div>Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for any typos. A more detailed response may be sent later.</div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>
On Jul 15, 2012, at 12:05 AM, Kirill Lokshin &lt;<a href="mailto:kirill.lokshin@wikimediadc.org" target="_blank">kirill.lokshin@wikimediadc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Sweden doesn&#39;t have multiple chapters -- there&#39;s only Wikimedia Sverige.  The only other country that *does* have multiple chapters is China, which has Wikimedia Hong Kong and Wikimedia Macau -- and both of those chapters have independent votes.<div>

<br></div><div>As far as whether we &quot;deserve&quot; more votes, that&#39;s a subjective question.  I will point out that, once every country gets a chapter, Europe (with a population of ~700 million) will have 50 votes -- while, under your proposal, the United States (with a population of ~300 million) will have 1.  Personally, I don&#39;t think that&#39;s particularly fair either.</div>

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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Mr. Gregory Varnum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gregory.varnum@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregory.varnum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><div>I&#39;ve heard this repeatedly from other chapters and from ChapCom members - I&#39;m not sure tiny minority is a fair assessment.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I&#39;m at a loss for why the US should be permitted multiple votes when other nations with multiple chapters, such as Swedan, only have one vote. Please explain why we deserve more than what our fellow nations are receiving.<div>

<br><div><br></div>-Greg<div><br><div>____________</div><div>Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for any typos. A more detailed response may be sent later.</div></div></div></div><div><div><div><br>On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:54 PM, Kirill Lokshin &lt;<a href="mailto:kirill.lokshin@wikimediadc.org" target="_blank">kirill.lokshin@wikimediadc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>The idea that all US chapters would have only a single voice in movement-wide discussions.  This hasn&#39;t been demanded except by tiny minority among other chapters -- and certainly not by anyone who will actually be involved in recognizing future US chapters.<div>


<br></div><div>As far as I&#39;m concerned, that element makes this proposal a total non-starter.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Kirill<br><div><br></div><div><div><span style="border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><font color="#666666">--</font></span></div>


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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Which political concessions are you referring to?<br><br><div><br></div>-Greg<div><br><div>____________</div>


<div>Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for any typos. A more detailed response may be sent later.</div></div></div><div><div><div><br>On Jul 14, 2012, at 11:49 PM, Kirill Lokshin &lt;<a href="mailto:kirill.lokshin@wikimediadc.org" target="_blank">kirill.lokshin@wikimediadc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>


<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>It&#39;s entirely unclear to me why we&#39;re proposing to make such dramatic political concessions, particularly given the lack of any meaningful external pressure to do so.<div><br>


</div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Kirill</div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Kevin Rutherford <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Ktr101@hotmail.com" target="_blank">Ktr101@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




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hope that you have all been doing well and those who attended Wikimania have not 
been partying too hard after the awesome experiences of the last few days. I 
wanted to let you all know, that per a WALRUS meet-up discussion tonight, myself 
and two other users have drafted up a plan on the evolution and governance of 
future Wikimedia chapters: <a title="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_the_evolution_of_Wikimedia_chapters_in_the_United_States" href="http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_the_evolution_of_Wikimedia_chapters_in_the_United_States" target="_blank">http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_the_evolution_of_Wikimedia_chapters_in_the_United_States</a> </div>



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<div style="font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:&#39;Calibri&#39;;display:inline;font-weight:normal">We 
look forward to your opinion on it, and I hope that those who are in the D.C. 
region have safe trips back, over the next few days.</div></div>
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