Hi all,
Wikimedia UK will be offering two to three scholarshipshttps://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_scholarshipsto the international Wikimedia Hackathon in Zürichhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014this year. Application will be taken through the registration page for the Hackathon. The deadline for application is 16 March.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Looking forward to seeing your applications,
Katie
A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already!
Katie
On 26 February 2014 18:45, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi all,
Wikimedia UK will be offering two to three scholarshipshttps://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_scholarshipsto the international Wikimedia Hackathon in Zürichhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014this year. Application will be taken through the registration page for the Hackathon. The deadline for application is 16 March.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Looking forward to seeing your applications,
Katie
-- Katie Chan Volunteer Support Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0990 +44 (0) 7885 980 534
Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 13/03/14 14:08, Katie Chan wrote:
A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already
Who cares about deadlines?
And I have had two remainders already!
:-)
Gordon
On 13 March 2014 14:08, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already!
What was the uptake like?
Annoyingly, I didn't think I'd be free, but now find that I am. *kicks self*
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Regards,
Katie
On 26 March 2014 16:22, Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 13 March 2014 14:08, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
A remainder that deadline for this is this Sunday. Don't forget to apply if you haven't already!
What was the uptake like?
Annoyingly, I didn't think I'd be free, but now find that I am. *kicks self*
-- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial listhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014/Attendees on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Scholarships recipients are encouraged to openly participate prior, during, and after their attendance to a conference, but they may well have legitimate reasons why they may not want their receiving of scholarship or attendance to be known publicly in advance or at all. We have not and do not seek permissions from a travel scholarship applicant to publish their names, however they are free to do so if they wish. This is the same as for the Wikimedia Foundation when they are awarding scholarships to Wikimania.
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial listhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_Hackathon_2014/Attendees on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
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Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
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I tend to agree with Mike, but not entirely. I'd say you should ask scholarship recipients if they object to their name being published. If they do (for any reason or no reason whatsoever), obviously you shouldn't publish their name; if they don't, you should publish it. Transparency is one of WMUK's goals (on paper), and allowing interested parties to evaluate how the charity spends its money, and feed back on especially good or poor decisions, is a big part of that. Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 12:47, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Scholarships recipients are encouraged to openly participate prior, during, and after their attendance to a conference, but they may well have legitimate reasons why they may not want their receiving of scholarship or attendance to be known publicly in advance or at all. We have not and do not seek permissions from a travel scholarship applicant to publish their names, however they are free to do so if they wish. This is the same as for the Wikimedia Foundation when they are awarding scholarships to Wikimania.
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia
conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate
their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales,
Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Fae,
I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made.
Thanks, Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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"would be" - i.e. hypothetical scenario.
Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
Fae,
I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made.
Thanks,
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often.
Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place.
Michael
On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
"would be" - i.e. hypothetical scenario.
Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
Fae,
I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made.
Thanks,
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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-- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote.
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What I said was "Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations."
I am happy to replace that with: "Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that there should have been declarations of interest for those taking scholarships."
Apologies if anyone took offence in their way of reading my surprise at this lack of transparency.
Presumably there are no declarations that ought to be made in the chosen sponsored attendees, as no declarations have been made.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 13:28, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often.
Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place.
Michael
On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
"would be" - i.e. hypothetical scenario.
Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
Fae,
I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made.
Thanks,
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
-- Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990.
Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk
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1 Many Wikimedians want to keep their userid and real name separate - even when attending events.
2 The way to encourage applicants to be open about this is not to then criticise those who get scholarships. Instead make sure we have the right people on a scholarship committee.
There are many checks and balances and sometimes needs to protect individuals. That is an important factor in getting the appropriate level of transparency.
On 31 March 2014 13:28, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often.
Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place.
Michael
On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
"would be" - i.e. hypothetical scenario.
Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
Fae,
I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of
corruption,
but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is
that
you let the other person answer before making a point that's already
been
made.
Thanks,
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk
wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they
want
it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a
particular
Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are
funded
by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
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I don't think anybody is suggesting you link somebody's real-life identity to their Wikimedia username against their wishes (unless there's context that I've missed). I'm suggesting you should publish whatever information the recipient is comfortable with, unless they're not comfortable with anything being published.
I can also understand why some people might not want their presence at a particular event to be known in advance (for example if they're worried about harassment), but that information could easily be published after the event if the recipient were comfortable with that.
We should be transparent whenever there is no good reason to be opaque - it will inspire confidence in WMUK, it's one less stick with which we can be beaten, and it's the best (perhaps only) way to prove that the process is not corrupt or nepotistic. Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:48, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
1 Many Wikimedians want to keep their userid and real name separate - even when attending events.
2 The way to encourage applicants to be open about this is not to then criticise those who get scholarships. Instead make sure we have the right people on a scholarship committee.
There are many checks and balances and sometimes needs to protect individuals. That is an important factor in getting the appropriate level of transparency.
On 31 March 2014 13:28, Michael Maggs Michael@maggs.name wrote:
Fae, this is a standard defence that you run often.
Let me say that you do not do yourself any favours when you make a statement accusing the chapter of some outrageous or corrupt act, and then deny responsibility for the intent of your posting by pointing out that you had phrased it in the conditional. Carefully drafting an allegation in the conditional is not a get out of jail free card that allows you to disclaim all responsibility for the meaning you intended to convey in the first place.
Michael
On 31 Mar 2014, at 13:15, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
"would be" - i.e. hypothetical scenario.
Not everything I write needs to be read as an accusation of a crime, no.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 13:13, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
Fae,
I'll assume you didn't mean that to sound like an allegation of corruption, but regardless, it's not really helpful. The idea of a discussion is that you let the other person answer before making a point that's already been made.
Thanks,
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Monday, 31 March 2014, 13:09, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote: Secret scholarships. How bizarre, this is the opposite of transparency and would be an especially difficult thing to justify if it later came out that relatives, friends, people with no previous connection to Wikimedia projects were getting large sums of money with no public declarations.
Fae
On 31 March 2014 12:38, Michael Peel michael.peel@manchester.ac.uk wrote:
Erm, no, it is standard (good) practice!
Mike
On 31 Mar 2014, at 12:28, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
It is not standard practice for a list of attendees to Wikimedia conferences to be published. It is up to the individuals in question whether they want it be known publicly that they are attending or have attended a particular Wikimedia conference. That any particular individual attendance are funded by Wikimedia UK or for that matter the Wikimedia Foundation rather than privately does not affect that.
Like other Wikimedia conferences, there is an unofficial list on the conference pages where participates are able to publicly indicate their planned attendance. In addition, all scholarship recipients agrees to produce a public report afterwards summarising the key things they have taken from the event.
On 27 March 2014 14:58, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 March 2014 14:50, Katie Chan katie.chan@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
There were two valid applications, which we are both funding.
Where is the list going to be published?
Fae
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