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Michael Peel

3 Aug 2010 3 Aug '10

10:47 p.m.

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Hampton Catlin

3 Aug 3 Aug

11 p.m.

I have a copy of it! I filmed it! - Hampton On 3 Aug 2010, at 09:47 PM, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

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Hi all, Does anyone watch University Challenge? I've heard a rumour that a round of questions was focused on the Wikipedia puzzle globe symbols around the 26th July 2010 - can anyone confirm or deny this? Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Gordon Joly

4 Aug 4 Aug

9:49 a.m.

On 03/08/2010 21:47, Michael Peel wrote:

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Yes, it was. Question was to name some of the language, as I recall. Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Hampton Catlin

3:09 p.m.

I can do everyone one-better! http://hamptoncatlin.com/unichallenge.ogg I recorded it! -hampton. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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On 03/08/2010 21:47, Michael Peel wrote:

Yes, it was. Question was to name some of the language, as I recall. Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Thomas Dalton

5:42 p.m.

On 4 August 2010 14:09, Hampton Catlin <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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I can do everyone one-better! http://hamptoncatlin.com/unichallenge.ogg I recorded it!

And disregarded copyright in posting it online?

Hampton Catlin

8:19 p.m.

...seriously? A fair-use of BBC material in my mind! And I'm not publishing it anywhere else except internally to wmf people. -hampton. PS: Speaking of that... I don't even know how many people are on this particular list! On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 4 August 2010 14:09, Hampton Catlin <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

I can do everyone one-better! http://hamptoncatlin.com/unichallenge.ogg I recorded it!

And disregarded copyright in posting it online? _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Thomas Dalton

8:31 p.m.

On 4 August 2010 19:19, Hampton Catlin <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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...seriously?

Yes, seriously. There is a perception that the free software/free content movement is all about wilfully ignoring copyright and we should be very careful not to provide support for that perception.

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A fair-use of BBC material in my mind!

I don't see how it is fair use. Just because it's a short clip doesn't automatically make it fair use. You didn't critique or review the work, you just copied it so that other people could see it.

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And I'm not publishing it anywhere else except internally to wmf people.

This is a public mailing list. You don't need to be subscribed to read it.

Hampton Catlin

9:44 p.m.

I apologize to everyone in the group for so blatantly violating the copyright of the BBC. The clip has been removed. I shall notify staff-l of the removal. Next time, I should begin negotiations with the content owners before doing anything entertaining. -hampton. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 4 August 2010 19:19, Hampton Catlin <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

...seriously?

Yes, seriously. There is a perception that the free software/free content movement is all about wilfully ignoring copyright and we should be very careful not to provide support for that perception.

A fair-use of BBC material in my mind!

I don't see how it is fair use. Just because it's a short clip doesn't automatically make it fair use. You didn't critique or review the work, you just copied it so that other people could see it.

And I'm not publishing it anywhere else except internally to wmf people.

This is a public mailing list. You don't need to be subscribed to read it. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Cormac Lawler

10:12 p.m.

On 4 August 2010 20:44, Hampton Catlin <hcatlin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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:-) Hampton, Thomas is right in what he says - but don't fret about it. There's a whole youtube of copyvios out there. ;-) Cormac

Gordon Joly

10:48 p.m.

On 04/08/2010 20:44, Hampton Catlin wrote:

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Next time, I should begin negotiations with the content owners before doing anything entertaining.

Copyright is so complex! Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Stephen Tilley

5 Aug 5 Aug

11:18 a.m.

Thomas Dalton

3:07 p.m.

On 5 August 2010 10:18, Stephen Tilley <stephen(a)tilley.net> wrote:

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Do we know if the BBC asked for permission to use another organisation's logo in this way?

I don't see why they would need to. There is certainly no trademark violation, since the way it was used couldn't confuse anyone into thinking the BBC was associated with Wikipedia, and think the fair use exemption to copyright would apply (they are essentially providing commentary on the logo).

Brian McNeil

11:23 p.m.

On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 14:07 +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote:

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On 5 August 2010 10:18, Stephen Tilley <stephen(a)tilley.net> wrote:

Do we know if the BBC asked for permission to use another organisation's logo in this way?

This is not the United States of America. It is *fair dealing*, not fair use. But, yes. Essentially Thomas is correct. -- Brian McNeil, Wikinewsie. http://www.wikinewsie.org | http://en.wikinewsie.org/wiki/Brian_McNeil Wikinews is a project of the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF), a 501(c) registered non-profit which is also responsible for Wikipedia. Wikinewsies are community-accredited freelance journalists who are regularly published on the English-language Wikinews. They do not represent the WMF, or Wikinews, in an official capacity.