http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Amusingly the hard copy version had WMUK owning WP, which would have been a simplification in speaking to Sue G, but otherwise troublesome. But someone (i.e. Jon Davies) told them otherwise.
Charles
Classic case, I'm afraid, of a journalist not quite doing his research. He spoke to us a few weeks ago and we made it quite clear that we're seperate, distinct organisations, and that we don't 'own' Wikipedia or anything of the sort... We've corrected the article since!
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When I did a round of Radio Interviews for regional radio stations on the day of the Wikipedia blackout in January the same point was put to me in a question.
The BBC was particularly bad.
Steve V
From: wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Richard Symonds Sent: 09 March 2012 13:52 To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Indie story on HoC editing
Classic case, I'm afraid, of a journalist not quite doing his research. He spoke to us a few weeks ago and we made it quite clear that we're seperate, distinct organisations, and that we don't 'own' Wikipedia or anything of the sort... We've corrected the article since!
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On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Headline: "Who are the Commons moles changing Wikipedia entries?"
My initial thought was "Commons people aren't allowed to edit Wikipedia?" (and also something along the lines of "well, we know Commons people like their 'nude or semi-nude women with Muppets', but even so, calling them 'moles' seems a bit harsh!").
Then I grokked that it was the House of Commons, not Wikimedia Commons.
Too much time at the coal face, methinks.
On 9 Mar 2012, at 14:32, Tom Morris wrote:
On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Headline: "Who are the Commons moles changing Wikipedia entries?"
My initial thought was "Commons people aren't allowed to edit Wikipedia?" (and also something along the lines of "well, we know Commons people like their 'nude or semi-nude women with Muppets', but even so, calling them 'moles' seems a bit harsh!").
Then I grokked that it was the House of Commons, not Wikimedia Commons.
Too much time at the coal face, methinks.
I thought exactly the same thing, followed by "ooh, there's a Wikimedia Commons article on page 3 of the Independent! Fantastic!". Should have known better. ;-)
Mike
On Mar 9, 2012 2:35 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
On 9 Mar 2012, at 14:32, Tom Morris wrote:
On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com
wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Headline: "Who are the Commons moles changing Wikipedia entries?"
My initial thought was "Commons people aren't allowed to edit Wikipedia?" (and also something along the lines of "well, we know Commons people like their 'nude or semi-nude women with Muppets', but even so, calling them 'moles' seems a bit harsh!").
Then I grokked that it was the House of Commons, not Wikimedia Commons.
Too much time at the coal face, methinks.
I thought exactly the same thing, followed by "ooh, there's a Wikimedia
Commons article on page 3 of the Independent! Fantastic!". Should have known better. ;-)
Mike
What I read: "There's a Wikimedia Commons picture on page 3!" Anyone takers on Commons for the challenge? ;)
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I think there are probably enough page 3 photos on commons already, don't you? ;-)
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Yes, hence I think it's time for page 3 to start taking good pictures *from* Commons! ;) On Mar 9, 2012 3:56 PM, "Richard Symonds" richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I think there are probably enough page 3 photos on commons already, don't you? ;-)
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On 09/03/2012 15:52, Deryck Chan wrote:
On Mar 9, 2012 2:35 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
On 9 Mar 2012, at 14:32, Tom Morris wrote:
On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Headline: "Who are the Commons moles changing Wikipedia entries?"
My initial thought was "Commons people aren't allowed to edit Wikipedia?" (and also something along the lines of "well, we know Commons people like their 'nude or semi-nude women with Muppets', but even so, calling them 'moles' seems a bit harsh!").
Then I grokked that it was the House of Commons, not Wikimedia Commons.
Too much time at the coal face, methinks.
I thought exactly the same thing, followed by "ooh, there's a Wikimedia
Commons article on page 3 of the Independent! Fantastic!". Should have known better. ;-)
Mike
What I read: "There's a Wikimedia Commons picture on page 3!" Anyone takers on Commons for the challenge? ;)
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On second thoughts/read-through, I want to retract my previous email. I skim-read through Tom's email, and was thinking more in terms of 'Wikimedia Commons' vs ''Commons' in terms of 'House of Commons', and hence there being high-profile visibility for the Wikimedia sister projects. I was _not_ replying in terms of the 'Page 3' interpretation as per the newspaper that goes under the name of 'The Sun', which I think is fundamentally sexist and ethically wrong.
Mike
On 9 Mar 2012, at 16:03, Deryck Chan wrote:
Yes, hence I think it's time for page 3 to start taking good pictures *from* Commons! ;)
On Mar 9, 2012 3:56 PM, "Richard Symonds" richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I think there are probably enough page 3 photos on commons already, don't you? ;-) Richard Symonds Office & Development Manager Wikimedia UK
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On 09/03/2012 15:52, Deryck Chan wrote:
On Mar 9, 2012 2:35 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
On 9 Mar 2012, at 14:32, Tom Morris wrote:
On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Headline: "Who are the Commons moles changing Wikipedia entries?"
My initial thought was "Commons people aren't allowed to edit Wikipedia?" (and also something along the lines of "well, we know Commons people like their 'nude or semi-nude women with Muppets', but even so, calling them 'moles' seems a bit harsh!").
Then I grokked that it was the House of Commons, not Wikimedia Commons.
Too much time at the coal face, methinks.
I thought exactly the same thing, followed by "ooh, there's a Wikimedia Commons article on page 3 of the Independent! Fantastic!". Should have known better. ;-)
Mike
What I read: "There's a Wikimedia Commons picture on page 3!" Anyone takers on Commons for the challenge? ;)
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Mike, I think it was my fault mis-reading your original message. My apologies. Deryck
On 10 March 2012 21:22, Michael Peel michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
On second thoughts/read-through, I want to retract my previous email. I skim-read through Tom's email, and was thinking more in terms of 'Wikimedia Commons' vs ''Commons' in terms of 'House of Commons', and hence there being high-profile visibility for the Wikimedia sister projects. I was _not_ replying in terms of the 'Page 3' interpretation as per the newspaper that goes under the name of 'The Sun', which I think is fundamentally sexist and ethically wrong.
Mike
On 9 Mar 2012, at 16:03, Deryck Chan wrote:
Yes, hence I think it's time for page 3 to start taking good pictures
*from* Commons! ;)
On Mar 9, 2012 3:56 PM, "Richard Symonds" <
richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
I think there are probably enough page 3 photos on commons already,
don't you? ;-)
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Company
Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827. Charity No:1144513 Office:
4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street,
London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the local chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation (who
operate
Wikipedia, amongst other projects). It is an independent non-profit organization with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
On 09/03/2012 15:52, Deryck Chan wrote:
On Mar 9, 2012 2:35 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
On 9 Mar 2012, at 14:32, Tom Morris wrote:
On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com> wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Headline: "Who are the Commons moles changing Wikipedia entries?"
My initial thought was "Commons people aren't allowed to edit Wikipedia?" (and also something along the lines of "well, we know Commons people like their 'nude or semi-nude women with Muppets',
but
even so, calling them 'moles' seems a bit harsh!").
Then I grokked that it was the House of Commons, not Wikimedia
Commons.
Too much time at the coal face, methinks.
I thought exactly the same thing, followed by "ooh, there's a
Wikimedia Commons article on page 3 of the Independent! Fantastic!". Should have known better. ;-)
Mike
What I read: "There's a Wikimedia Commons picture on page 3!" Anyone
takers on Commons for the challenge? ;)
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On 9 March 2012 15:52, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
What I read: "There's a Wikimedia Commons picture on page 3!" Anyone takers on Commons for the challenge? ;)
Commons *is* Page 3 for the 'Nude Girls With Muppets' generation.
Tomorrow the world!
Quoting Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
Amusingly the hard copy version had WMUK owning WP, which would have been a simplification in speaking to Sue G, but otherwise troublesome. But someone (i.e. Jon Davies) told them otherwise.
Charles
On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
So, the best thing about this story is that it's about two years out of date.
An acquaintance of mine did a funny article back in 2010 on Parliamentarians editing Wikipedia.
http://www.tomscott.com/wikiparliament/
It's like the Indie story but with better jokes.
MUCH better article. Don;t you wish Cilla Black had been your headteacher? Quoting Tom Morris tom@tommorris.org:
On 9 March 2012 13:48, Charles Matthews charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/who-are-the-commons-moles-chan...
So, the best thing about this story is that it's about two years out of date.
An acquaintance of mine did a funny article back in 2010 on Parliamentarians editing Wikipedia.
http://www.tomscott.com/wikiparliament/
It's like the Indie story but with better jokes.
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