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Andy Mabbett

29 Dec 2013 29 Dec '13

11:08 a.m.

I've asked the Open Data User Group to see whether we can get the text of English Heritage listing designations, like: http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1334382 released under the Open Government licence; and as linked open data. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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geni

29 Dec 29 Dec

2:40 p.m.

On 29 December 2013 13:08, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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Hmm might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same time. -- geni

Rod Ward

3:08 p.m.

Good idea - can we have the registered parks and gardens as well - in fact everything on the National Heritage List! Rod From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of geni Sent: 29 December 2013 16:40 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] English Heritage list On 29 December 2013 13:08, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: I've asked the Open Data User Group to see whether we can get the text of English Heritage listing designations, like: http://list.english-heritage.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1334382 released under the Open Government licence; and as linked open data. Hmm might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same time. -- geni

Andy Mabbett

9:57 p.m.

On 29 December 2013 16:40, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same time.

Richard Nevell

6 Jan 6 Jan

10:47 a.m.

Good to see this request. How long does it take to get an official reply? Could the scope of the request be widened? The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland run Canmore<http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/>which has descriptions of sites which would be useful for Wikipedia ( eg <http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/56735/details/dirleton+castle/>). On 29 December 2013 23:57, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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On 29 December 2013 16:40, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same time.

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Richard Symonds

11:16 a.m.

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On 29 December 2013 16:40, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same time.

Michael Maggs

11:27 a.m.

Some definitely will be, yes. Michael On 6 Jan 2014, at 13:16, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Are some of them 'expired crown copyright', given that the first listing descriptions were presumably written over 50 years ago? Or am I missing something? Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. On 6 January 2014 12:47, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Good to see this request. How long does it take to get an official reply? Could the scope of the request be widened? The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland run Canmore which has descriptions of sites which would be useful for Wikipedia (eg). On 29 December 2013 23:57, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: On 29 December 2013 16:40, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same time.

The full list is the "database of all nationally designated historic places including: Listed Buildings, Scheduled Monuments, Protected Wreck Sites, Registered Parks and Gardens, Registered Battlefields, World Heritage Sites, applications for Certificates of Immunity (COIs) and current Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)." -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Richard Nevell Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Richard Symonds

11:29 a.m.

But presumably we don't know which :-( Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 6 January 2014 13:27, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote:

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Some definitely will be, yes. Michael On 6 Jan 2014, at 13:16, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Are some of them 'expired crown copyright', given that the first listing descriptions were presumably written over 50 years ago? Or am I missing something? Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 6 January 2014 12:47, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk>wrote;wrote:

Good to see this request. How long does it take to get an official reply? Could the scope of the request be widened? The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland run Canmore<http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/>which has descriptions of sites which would be useful for Wikipedia ( eg <http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/56735/details/dirleton+castle/> ). On 29 December 2013 23:57, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>wrote;wrote:

On 29 December 2013 16:40, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same time.

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Michael Maggs

11:36 a.m.

Correct. Michael

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On 6 Jan 2014, at 13:29, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: But presumably we don't know which :-( Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.

On 6 January 2014 13:27, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote: Some definitely will be, yes. Michael

On 6 Jan 2014, at 13:16, Richard Symonds <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Are some of them 'expired crown copyright', given that the first listing descriptions were presumably written over 50 years ago? Or am I missing something? Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.

On 6 January 2014 12:47, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Good to see this request. How long does it take to get an official reply? Could the scope of the request be widened? The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland run Canmore which has descriptions of sites which would be useful for Wikipedia (eg). > On 29 December 2013 23:57, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: > On 29 December 2013 16:40, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > might be worth trying the for the Scheduled Monuments stuff at the same > > time. > > The full list is the "database of all nationally designated historic > places including: Listed Buildings, Scheduled Monuments, Protected > Wreck Sites, Registered Parks and Gardens, Registered Battlefields, > World Heritage Sites, applications for Certificates of Immunity (COIs) > and current Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)." > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org -- Richard Nevell Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0753 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Andy Mabbett

4:06 p.m.

On 6 January 2014 12:47, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Good to see this request. How long does it take to get an official reply?

Funny you should ask that now, I've only today received a reply to a request i submitted in September 2012 - 16 months ago. I've blogged about it here: http://pigsonthewing.org.uk/uk-government-road-gritting-open-data/ I shall be pressing for a much more prompt response to my Heritage List request.

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Could the scope of the request be widened? The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland run Canmore which has descriptions of sites which would be useful for Wikipedia (eg).

info＠cymruwales.com

6:24 p.m.

Richard Nevell

7 Jan 7 Jan

11:14 a.m.

A separate request may be more likely to work so too much isn't being asked for at once. And if Ally would be prepared to submit the request I think that would carry more weight. I'll email her directly to see if this is something she's be interested in doing. Richard On 6 January 2014 20:24, info(a)cymruwales.com <info(a)cymruwales.com> wrote:

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Can I suggest that Ally Crockford submits this request, with others 'in support'. Robin

On 06 January 2014 at 18:06 Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>

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On 6 January 2014 12:47, Richard Nevell <richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk>

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> Good to see this request. How long does it take to get an official

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request.

You could add a comment to my request; or make a new one. I think the later would be more effective. Please let me know if you do that, and I'll voice support. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Pat Hadley

12:13 p.m.

Hi all, Hugh Corley and Keith May - sympathetic digital archaeology types at EH were approached a few years ago (through me) about making available the whole list in a useful data format. They were prevented from doing so because of all the management threats EH was under at the time. Now that seems to be settling down it might be worth another go? Another approach might be to find one local authority with a friendly Historic Environment Records officer as a test case? You'd get much more detailed records too. Cheers, P On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Richard Nevell < richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Can I suggest that Ally Crockford submits this request, with others 'in support'. Robin

On 06 January 2014 at 18:06 Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>

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On 6 January 2014 12:47, Richard Nevell <

richard.nevell(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

> Good to see this request. How long does it take to get an official

reply?

request.

> Could the scope of the request be widened? The Royal Commission on

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Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland run Canmore which has descriptions of sites which would be useful for Wikipedia (eg).

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Andy Mabbett

29 Dec 29 Dec

9:55 p.m.

On 29 December 2013 13:08, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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At their suggestion, I've posted my request, at: http://data.gov.uk/data-request/national-heritage-list-england I think you won't be able to see that, until they moderate it. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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