On 24 Jul 2007, at 13:41, David Gerard wrote: I'm still listening... he's futzing around with Michael Portillo at the moment - Nicholas.

On 24/07/07, Gary Kirk <gary.kirk(a)gmail.com> wrote: He was sure of some fact, then we looked it up and he turned out not to be so sure. I said that was an authentic Wikipedia experience too ;-) - d.

On 7/24/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley <jb(a)fsfe.org> wrote: Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert it to .ogg. Mathias

On 24/07/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley <jb(a)fsfe.org> wrote: The .ram link is a pointer to the stream, and VLC doesn't work well with those. It can play a static file that's in a RealAudio format. - d.

On 24/07/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: The way forward is clear, it seems. Wikimedia UK should formulate a plan to invade the BBC and beat the living daylights out of them for using not only a non-free format, but one which requires a piece of software so downright appalling and turd-like as RealPlayer, or whatever they're calling it these days. Rob Church

Hi the wub wrote: Thanks very much for that! Martin

I must say I like RealPlayer and the RealVideo format for streaming A/V. My experiences seem to be like this: RealPlayer: • Runs quickly, never crashes. • Supports QT components + RealMedia. • Simple single window interface and heads-up controls when full-screen. VLC: • Slow to launch. Displays annoying error window whenever it gets a chance. • Supports QT components + probably some other stuff that I don't use. • More complex dual window interface. (triple if you count error panel) • Error window always appears over the video playback window, handily obscuring the thing you're watching. QuickTime Player: • Full screen mode disabled since QT 3.0 (1998), making this useless. (restored in the past few weeks!) Microsoft Media Player: • Version 9.0 can only play 35% of the wmv files I come across, and is now abandoned. • Not in the least bit stable. Flip4Mac (wmv component for QuickTime) • Plays about 70% of wmv files I come across, so better than Microsoft's own programme. • Also not stable, can crash QuickTime player, VLC and RealPlayer. Ogg codecs, DivX, XviD etc. (Perian, DivX components): • Never seen them used for streaming media. H.264 (QuickTime native): • Only runs on one of my machines as all the others are too slow to decode it in real time. RealMedia: • Changes down (usually) and up (if lucky) during mid-stream smoothly depending on bandwidth. • Drops video frames to preserve audio continuity (vital if you're trying to hear what's being said during network spikes) - Nicholas. On 24 Jul 2007, at 14:21, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote: - Nicholas.

I just revamped "History of Wikipedia" over the weekend (was mostly a list before). The view expressed in a BBC program on it, probably counts as a notable view on Wikipedia's history. Can it be integrated into there, maybe a new section "third party descriptions"? FT2. -----Original Message----- From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:09 PM To: wikimediauk-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] The Wikipedia Story http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram<< Unfortunately that requires proprietary software, but I did manage to catch it on my radio (albeit on fussy long-wave as I couldn't get Radio 4 on FM at the time). Despite the sensationalist trailer, I liked it. It was well balanced with _reasoned_ criticism, and had interesting facts for listeners who don't know much about Wikipedia. It certainly might encourage some more people to read/edit Wikipedia. Clive Anderson is a good (and not too serious) presenter too. BTW, someone seems to have created an article about the program <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Story> which I think should be deleted or merged (although I can't really see where to) as it really isn't notable. Yours, Joe. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_UK http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

At 13:41 +0100 24/7/07, David Gerard wrote: Yes, and no. Needs editing. Gordo -- "Think Feynman"///////// http://pobox.com/~gordo/ gordon.joly(a)pobox.com///