The Wikipedia Story is on BBC Radio 4:
Tuesday 24 July 2007 11:30-12:00 (Radio 4 FM)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/pip/efv21/
<quot> Clive Anderson looks at one of the world's fastest growing websites, the online encyclopedia to which anybody can contribute. Is Wikipedia a valuable source of human knowledge or a symptom of the spread of mediocrity and the devaluation of research? </quot>
Gordo
On 21 Jul 2007, at 14:02, Gordon Joly wrote:
The Wikipedia Story is on BBC Radio 4:
Tuesday 24 July 2007 11:30-12:00 (Radio 4 FM)
Luckily I saw this at 8:30 this morning. I got annoyed by a programme on at 9:30 and turned the radio off. Then I forgot to turn it back on. :-(
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram
- Nicholas.
On 24/07/07, Nicholas Shanks contact@nickshanks.com wrote:
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram
w00t! Was it any good?
- d.
On 24 Jul 2007, at 13:41, David Gerard wrote:
On 24/07/07, Nicholas Shanks contact@nickshanks.com wrote:
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram
w00t! Was it any good?
I'm still listening... he's futzing around with Michael Portillo at the moment
- Nicholas.
It was interesting. He seemed to have a real hold on what it was all about, and while he seemed unsure when he was with you editing [[Michael Portillo]] that's how I assume most people are of around his generation first-time editing :). It gave a rounded view with contributions from fans and not-so of us.
On 24/07/07, Nicholas Shanks contact@nickshanks.com wrote:
On 24 Jul 2007, at 13:41, David Gerard wrote:
On 24/07/07, Nicholas Shanks contact@nickshanks.com wrote:
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram
w00t! Was it any good?
I'm still listening... he's futzing around with Michael Portillo at the moment
- Nicholas.
On 24/07/07, Gary Kirk gary.kirk@gmail.com wrote:
It was interesting. He seemed to have a real hold on what it was all about, and while he seemed unsure when he was with you editing [[Michael Portillo]] that's how I assume most people are of around his generation first-time editing :).
He was sure of some fact, then we looked it up and he turned out not to be so sure. I said that was an authentic Wikipedia experience too ;-)
- d.
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram<<
Unfortunately that requires proprietary software, but I did manage to catch it on my radio (albeit on fussy long-wave as I couldn't get Radio 4 on FM at the time).
w00t! Was it any good?<<
Despite the sensationalist trailer, I liked it. It was well balanced with _reasoned_ criticism, and had interesting facts for listeners who don't know much about Wikipedia. It certainly might encourage some more people to read/edit Wikipedia. Clive Anderson is a good (and not too serious) presenter too.
BTW, someone seems to have created an article about the program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Story which I think should be deleted or merged (although I can't really see where to) as it really isn't notable.
Yours, Joe.
On 7/24/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley jb@fsfe.org wrote:
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram<<
Unfortunately that requires proprietary software, but I did manage to catch it on my radio (albeit on fussy long-wave as I couldn't get Radio 4 on FM at the time).
Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert it to .ogg.
Mathias
Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert
it to .ogg.<<
It doesn't work for me and have the latest official version of VLC with all the relevant codecs installed. Listen Again has never worked with free software; I'm sure there's a petition about it somewhere. The BBC did trial streaming Vorbis for a few of their programs for a while but gave up on it.
Yours, Joe.
On 24/07/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley jb@fsfe.org wrote:
Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert
it to .ogg.<<
It doesn't work for me and have the latest official version of VLC with all the relevant codecs installed. Listen Again has never worked with free software; I'm sure there's a petition about it somewhere. The BBC did trial streaming Vorbis for a few of their programs for a while but gave up on it.
The .ram link is a pointer to the stream, and VLC doesn't work well with those. It can play a static file that's in a RealAudio format.
- d.
On 7/24/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/07/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley jb@fsfe.org wrote:
Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert
it to .ogg.<<
It doesn't work for me and have the latest official version of VLC with all the relevant codecs installed. Listen Again has never worked with free software; I'm sure there's a petition about it somewhere. The BBC did trial streaming Vorbis for a few of their programs for a while but gave up on it.
Hmmm. My VLC was very much able to play the record during the last 30 minutes. Both the .ram pointer file and rtsp://rmv8.bbc.net.uk/radio4/1130_tue.ra?BBC-UID=34d6e80a1b0f90c2ca13e7e851a84fbef1328cd9603040abac4dc8e3c203ae05&SSO2-UID= directly.
Mathias
On 24/07/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
The .ram link is a pointer to the stream, and VLC doesn't work well with those. It can play a static file that's in a RealAudio format.
The way forward is clear, it seems. Wikimedia UK should formulate a plan to invade the BBC and beat the living daylights out of them for using not only a non-free format, but one which requires a piece of software so downright appalling and turd-like as RealPlayer, or whatever they're calling it these days.
Rob Church
On 24/07/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 24/07/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley jb@fsfe.org wrote:
Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert
it to .ogg.<<
It doesn't work for me and have the latest official version of VLC with all the relevant codecs installed. Listen Again has never worked with free software; I'm sure there's a petition about it somewhere. The BBC did trial streaming Vorbis for a few of their programs for a while but gave up on it.
The .ram link is a pointer to the stream, and VLC doesn't work well with those. It can play a static file that's in a RealAudio format.
- d.
If anyone wants a less evil copy, I just uploaded ogg vorbis and mp3 versions.
http://astick.net/audio/wikipediastory.ogg http://astick.net/audio/wikipediastory.mp3
I'll take them down in a few days so as not to tread on the BBC's toes, so get 'em while you can
Hi
the wub wrote:
If anyone wants a less evil copy, I just uploaded ogg vorbis and mp3 versions.
http://astick.net/audio/wikipediastory.ogg http://astick.net/audio/wikipediastory.mp3
I'll take them down in a few days so as not to tread on the BBC's toes, so get 'em while you can
Thanks very much for that!
Martin
At 14:21 +0100 24/7/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote:
Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert
it to .ogg.<<
It doesn't work for me and have the latest official version of VLC with all the relevant codecs installed. Listen Again has never worked with free software; I'm sure there's a petition about it somewhere. The BBC did trial streaming Vorbis for a few of their programs for a while but gave up on it.
Yours, Joe.
BBC Research and Development at Kingswood Warren did the trial, as I recall.
Gordo
I must say I like RealPlayer and the RealVideo format for streaming A/V.
My experiences seem to be like this:
RealPlayer: • Runs quickly, never crashes. • Supports QT components + RealMedia. • Simple single window interface and heads-up controls when full-screen.
VLC: • Slow to launch. Displays annoying error window whenever it gets a chance. • Supports QT components + probably some other stuff that I don't use. • More complex dual window interface. (triple if you count error panel) • Error window always appears over the video playback window, handily obscuring the thing you're watching.
QuickTime Player: • Full screen mode disabled since QT 3.0 (1998), making this useless. (restored in the past few weeks!)
Microsoft Media Player: • Version 9.0 can only play 35% of the wmv files I come across, and is now abandoned. • Not in the least bit stable.
Flip4Mac (wmv component for QuickTime) • Plays about 70% of wmv files I come across, so better than Microsoft's own programme. • Also not stable, can crash QuickTime player, VLC and RealPlayer.
Ogg codecs, DivX, XviD etc. (Perian, DivX components): • Never seen them used for streaming media.
H.264 (QuickTime native): • Only runs on one of my machines as all the others are too slow to decode it in real time.
RealMedia: • Changes down (usually) and up (if lucky) during mid-stream smoothly depending on bandwidth. • Drops video frames to preserve audio continuity (vital if you're trying to hear what's being said during network spikes)
- Nicholas.
On 24 Jul 2007, at 14:21, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote:
Nope. VLC player (videolan.org) can play that .ram file. And convert
it to .ogg.<<
It doesn't work for me and have the latest official version of VLC with all the relevant codecs installed. Listen Again has never worked with free software; I'm sure there's a petition about it somewhere. The BBC did trial streaming Vorbis for a few of their programs for a while but gave up on it.
Yours, Joe.
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- Nicholas.
He did say he wondered whether his article would be updated to say he'd presented a programme about the site :).
On 24/07/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley jb@fsfe.org wrote:
But then I found this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram<<
Unfortunately that requires proprietary software, but I did manage to catch it on my radio (albeit on fussy long-wave as I couldn't get Radio 4 on FM at the time).
w00t! Was it any good?<<
Despite the sensationalist trailer, I liked it. It was well balanced with _reasoned_ criticism, and had interesting facts for listeners who don't know much about Wikipedia. It certainly might encourage some more people to read/edit Wikipedia. Clive Anderson is a good (and not too serious) presenter too.
BTW, someone seems to have created an article about the program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Story which I think should be deleted or merged (although I can't really see where to) as it really isn't notable.
Yours, Joe.
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I just revamped "History of Wikipedia" over the weekend (was mostly a list before).
The view expressed in a BBC program on it, probably counts as a notable view on Wikipedia's history. Can it be integrated into there, maybe a new section "third party descriptions"?
FT2.
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But then I found this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram<<
Unfortunately that requires proprietary software, but I did manage to catch it on my radio (albeit on fussy long-wave as I couldn't get Radio 4 on FM at the time).
w00t! Was it any good?<<
Despite the sensationalist trailer, I liked it. It was well balanced with _reasoned_ criticism, and had interesting facts for listeners who don't know much about Wikipedia. It certainly might encourage some more people to read/edit Wikipedia. Clive Anderson is a good (and not too serious) presenter too.
BTW, someone seems to have created an article about the program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia_Story which I think should be deleted or merged (although I can't really see where to) as it really isn't notable.
Yours, Joe.
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At 14:09 +0100 24/7/07, Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley wrote:
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram<<
Unfortunately that requires proprietary software, but I did manage to catch it on my radio (albeit on fussy long-wave as I couldn't get Radio 4 on FM at the time).
w00t! Was it any good?<<
Despite the sensationalist trailer, I liked it. It was well balanced with _reasoned_ criticism, and had interesting facts for listeners who don't know much about Wikipedia. It certainly might encourage some more people to read/edit Wikipedia. Clive Anderson is a good (and not too serious) presenter too.
I thought it balanced and novel. I learned new things, heard old stories, and was aware that Clive Anderson was invited to Gerard Towers in Walthamstow.
Clive Anderson also hosted the TV version of "Notes and Queries", the long running Guardian feature, along with Carole Vorderman. "Notes and Queries" is a place for readers of the Guardian to ask questions (e.g. "Is water wet?") and for others to write in answers. Hence, a user contributed set of questions and answers, which lead to both two TV series and about 6 or 7 books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notes_%26_Queries
This column started in 1989.
I always like Clive Anderson's stuff, since his legal training and humour combine well. He was able to question well, and I like the story about Michael Portillo and Diane Abbott, and how you could prove something did *not* happen, and hence change an article in Wikipedia.
Gordo
At 13:41 +0100 24/7/07, David Gerard wrote:
On 24/07/07, Nicholas Shanks contact@nickshanks.com wrote:
But then I found this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/ram/wikipediastory.ram
w00t! Was it any good?
- d.
Yes, and no. Needs editing.
Gordo
Gordon Joly wrote:
The Wikipedia Story is on BBC Radio 4:
Tuesday 24 July 2007 11:30-12:00 (Radio 4 FM)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/pip/efv21/
<quot> Clive Anderson looks at one of the world's fastest growing websites, the online encyclopedia to which anybody can contribute. Is Wikipedia a valuable source of human knowledge or a symptom of the spread of mediocrity and the devaluation of research? </quot>
Gordo
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Does anyone know where to get hold of the podcast of "The Wikipedia Story" ? I heard it in the car while on holiday, so was unable to record it on "listen again."
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