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Fæ

13 Sep 2017 13 Sep '17

10:09 a.m.

Category link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10… A full set of high resolution OS map scans is being gradually uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and indexed by historic county. These are very large files, 10,000 pixels wide, so are both in TIFF and jpeg format to make reuse easier. These are of 'specialized' interest, but I would think could be of use to both Wiki Loves Monuments projects and readers of this email list interested in early maps and geo-related experiments. The maps show plenty of fine detail, including inns/pubs, churches, bridges etc. Those that still exist will be likely to be listed and protected, and those that are not, may still be great photography subjects. Note that to view the maps, Commons' in-built ZoomViewer is useful but it appears to be broken today, so you may have to settle for examining the full size jpeg in-browser. As I write this, the uploads are working through "B", so the projects is going to take several weeks to complete. If there are ideas for how better to categorize or template these maps, feel free to drop a note on my Commons talk page. It is always possible to do some post-upload housekeeping or adjusting the way the uploads are currently getting formatted. Thanks, Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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Gordon Joly

13 Sep 13 Sep

10:40 a.m.

Were not the original maps "Crown Copyright"? And if so, how does that affect the statement below? ******************************************* This work is in the public domain in its country of origin and other countries and areas where the copyright term is the author's life plus 100 years or less. This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1923. ******************************************* Taken from: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Anglesey_OS_Map_name_002-SE,… If the author was 25 in 1891 and lived to age 75, that is 1941, then copyright expired in 2011? And if she died aged 85, then copyright expires in 2021? Working on death year plus 70. Gordo

Fæ

10:55 a.m.

On 13 September 2017 at 14:40, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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Were not the original maps "Crown Copyright"? And if so, how does that affect the statement below?

These were indeed Crown property, so copyright periods should be calculated from creation and are unrelated to life periods. My understanding of British IP in the 19th century, is that 14 years would apply (I think that's right for 1891, feel free to correct me with a source). I doubt that copyright would have been renewed by the publisher, in fact I'm not sure that's possible for Crown works, though if it were, then another 14 years could be added. 28 years could then take a small number of the maps up to 1911 and into the new copyright act, giving them 50 years from creation date. However you would calculate it, they are definitely copyright expired more than 80 years ago, and mostly beyond having 100 years of public domain status. Getting the best template on the Commons image page, is perhaps something to investigate longer term with a bit of housekeeping intelligently based on dates, especially if the copyright calculation takes us beyond 1923 so that the US copyright part needs adjusting. I'm not in a rush to improve that bit, compared to getting the full set up on Commons first. Thanks for highlighting it, Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

Robin Owain

1:11 p.m.

That's fantastic, Fae! well done!

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On 13 September 2017 at 14:09 Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: Category link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10… A full set of high resolution OS map scans is being gradually uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and indexed by historic county. These are very large files, 10,000 pixels wide, so are both in TIFF and jpeg format to make reuse easier. These are of 'specialized' interest, but I would think could be of use to both Wiki Loves Monuments projects and readers of this email list interested in early maps and geo-related experiments. The maps show plenty of fine detail, including inns/pubs, churches, bridges etc. Those that still exist will be likely to be listed and protected, and those that are not, may still be great photography subjects. Note that to view the maps, Commons' in-built ZoomViewer is useful but it appears to be broken today, so you may have to settle for examining the full size jpeg in-browser. As I write this, the uploads are working through "B", so the projects is going to take several weeks to complete. If there are ideas for how better to categorize or template these maps, feel free to drop a note on my Commons talk page. It is always possible to do some post-upload housekeeping or adjusting the way the uploads are currently getting formatted. Thanks, Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Owen Blacker

7:35 p.m.

Omfg, this is *awesome*. Great work, Fæ! On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 at 17:11 Robin Owain <info(a)cymruwales.com> wrote:

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That's fantastic, Fae! well done! On 13 September 2017 at 14:09 Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: Category link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10… A full set of high resolution OS map scans is being gradually uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and indexed by historic county. These are very large files, 10,000 pixels wide, so are both in TIFF and jpeg format to make reuse easier. These are of 'specialized' interest, but I would think could be of use to both Wiki Loves Monuments projects and readers of this email list interested in early maps and geo-related experiments. The maps show plenty of fine detail, including inns/pubs, churches, bridges etc. Those that still exist will be likely to be listed and protected, and those that are not, may still be great photography subjects. Note that to view the maps, Commons' in-built ZoomViewer is useful but it appears to be broken today, so you may have to settle for examining the full size jpeg in-browser. As I write this, the uploads are working through "B", so the projects is going to take several weeks to complete. If there are ideas for how better to categorize or template these maps, feel free to drop a note on my Commons talk page. It is always possible to do some post-upload housekeeping or adjusting the way the uploads are currently getting formatted. Thanks, Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

John Lubbock

18 Sep 18 Sep

6:43 a.m.

Would anyone like to write a short post about this for our blog? I can help edit. I'm really keen to get our community more involved in our comms work, and it would be good to have help publicise things like this to the wider community. Thanks! John Lubbock Communications Coordinator Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 203 372 0767 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Office 1, Ground Floor, Europoint, 5 - 11 Lavington Street, London SE1 0NZ. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 14 September 2017 at 00:35, Owen Blacker <owen(a)blacker.me.uk> wrote:

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Omfg, this is *awesome*. Great work, Fæ! On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 at 17:11 Robin Owain <info(a)cymruwales.com> wrote:

That's fantastic, Fae! well done! On 13 September 2017 at 14:09 Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote: Category link: https://commons.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10560 A full set of high resolution OS map scans is being gradually uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and indexed by historic county. These are very large files, 10,000 pixels wide, so are both in TIFF and jpeg format to make reuse easier. These are of 'specialized' interest, but I would think could be of use to both Wiki Loves Monuments projects and readers of this email list interested in early maps and geo-related experiments. The maps show plenty of fine detail, including inns/pubs, churches, bridges etc. Those that still exist will be likely to be listed and protected, and those that are not, may still be great photography subjects. Note that to view the maps, Commons' in-built ZoomViewer is useful but it appears to be broken today, so you may have to settle for examining the full size jpeg in-browser. As I write this, the uploads are working through "B", so the projects is going to take several weeks to complete. If there are ideas for how better to categorize or template these maps, feel free to drop a note on my Commons talk page. It is always possible to do some post-upload housekeeping or adjusting the way the uploads are currently getting formatted. Thanks, Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Fæ

23 Sep 23 Sep

8:03 a.m.

In addition to the first series of 1:10,560 maps, the Ordnance Survey 1:2500 first series is being uploaded and has already reached "L" in the alphabet, so Cardiff, Coventry, Edinburgh and London are all available. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:25… Unlike the 1:10,560 maps, the 1:2500 are not a complete map of the UK, but are highly detailed maps of city areas. The maps date from around the 1870s, and you will find every house, horse trough, monument and even public toilet marked on them. As well as being interesting to refer to during Wiki Loves Monuments sessions, for anyone interested in solving some wiki-jigsaw puzzles, it would be useful to create overview gallery pages on Commons making it easy for readers to navigate the detailed maps. As an example, the 45 maps covering the City of London have a one-page overview at [1] and Berkshire has a gallery at [2]. Some of the 1:2500 maps have their sub-maps set out in 4x4 grids (1 to 16), and to make the puzzle a bit harder, the sub-maps may not be complete! Birmingham has been started at [3], but the sub-maps could be joined together more intelligently. Andy has suggested using navigation templates at the map level, so you can click in each compass direction to jump around the map, see on example image page for Birmingham [4]. Links 1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:250… 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:105… 3. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:250… 4. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Birmingham_and_its_Environs_… Happy navigating! Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

Andy Mabbett

9:01 a.m.

On 23 September 2017 at 12:03, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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In addition to the first series of 1:10,560 maps, the Ordnance Survey 1:2500 first series is being uploaded

Thanks, Fæ, for this superb contribution. The maps are full of rich data, and so a time-sink for anyone, like me, interested in local history - you have been warned!

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Andy has suggested using navigation templates at the map level, so you can click in each compass direction to jump around the map, see on example image page for Birmingham

I'd also suggest adding categories to individual tiles, for major settlements and significant features. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Fæ

27 Sep 27 Sep

6:37 p.m.

On 23 September 2017 at 13:01, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

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On 23 September 2017 at 12:03, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

In addition to the first series of 1:10,560 maps, the Ordnance Survey 1:2500 first series is being uploaded

Thanks, Fæ, for this superb contribution. The maps are full of rich data, and so a time-sink for anyone, like me, interested in local history - you have been warned!

Andy has suggested using navigation templates at the map level, so you can click in each compass direction to jump around the map, see on example image page for Birmingham

I'd also suggest adding categories to individual tiles, for major settlements and significant features. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Good news everyone! The 1:2500 OS maps series have finished uploading. We can confirm that cities these cover are: Birmingham, Cardiff, Chester, Chichester, Colchester, Coventry, Durham, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Lichfield, Liverpool, City of London, Manchester, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Oxford, Portsmouth, Salisbury, Southampton, Winchester, Worcester and York. You can find all the categories at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:25…. This week I used the 19th C. Newcastle map to track down a Jewish cemetery ( "Jews Old Burial Ground") that now is virtually impossible to find due to being built over in the 1910s, as well as a surprise find of a "Fever" hospital and a glass factory up against the medieval city walls, where there is now no indication that there was ever anything there but virgin grassland. If you want to try creating a gallery of the maps for your favorite city, then it's best to have a look at the way the London gallery works: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gallery:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:250… P.S. The complete 1:10,560 series has got as far as "Cheshire" in the alphabet, so expect a couple more weeks before it's ready for serious use. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10… Thanks, Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

Fæ

17 Dec 17 Dec

11:59 a.m.

Good news! Just in time for Christmas, the full 19th Century UK series of Ordnance Survey 1:10560 maps has been completed. This took /3 months/ to complete as this needed assembling tiled images and transcoding to tiff and jpeg versions on my simple desktop and then uploading via my (standard speed) home broadband connection.* The TIFF maps were between 55MB to 220MB each, and in the end this meant uploading more than an eye-watering 1 terabyte of data, which I think is the largest single batch upload I have done to date by total file size. All the maps can be found in sub-directories by county from Cornwall to Orkney at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10…. * I've been pondering whether paying to upgrade my broadband speed for similar projects might be worth it, or even to cover one-off costs of better/faster graphics processing kit, anyone with feedback on whether this would be reasonable use of a small WMF personal grant is welcome to comment. Thanks, Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae On 27 September 2017 at 22:37, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 23 September 2017 at 13:01, Andy Mabbett <andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

On 23 September 2017 at 12:03, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

In addition to the first series of 1:10,560 maps, the Ordnance Survey 1:2500 first series is being uploaded

Thanks, Fæ, for this superb contribution. The maps are full of rich data, and so a time-sink for anyone, like me, interested in local history - you have been warned!

Andy has suggested using navigation templates at the map level, so you can click in each compass direction to jump around the map, see on example image page for Birmingham

Andy Mabbett

2:54 p.m.

On 17 December 2017 at 13:59, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Good news! Just in time for Christmas, the full 19th Century UK series of Ordnance Survey 1:10560 maps has been completed.

Great work; thank you.

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* I've been pondering whether paying to upgrade my broadband speed for similar projects might be worth it, or even to cover one-off costs of better/faster graphics processing kit, anyone with feedback on whether this would be reasonable use of a small WMF personal grant is welcome to comment.

I should say, given the type and volume of work you do, both of these are justified. I'd be happy to endorse such an application. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

geni

18 Dec 18 Dec

7:05 a.m.

On 17 December 2017 at 13:59, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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All the maps can be found in sub-directories by county from Cornwall to Orkney at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10….

Hmm we're going to need a new copyright tag. The images are not faithful photographic reproductions since someone (well The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation) has been pretty brutal with the levels. Not original enough to qualify for copyright mind. Just wish I could get access to the raw scans. -- geni

Fæ

7:50 a.m.

On 18 December 2017 at 09:05, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 17 December 2017 at 13:59, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:

All the maps can be found in sub-directories by county from Cornwall to Orkney at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_1st_series_1:10….

The copyright statement seems adequate. To be a "faithful reproduction" does not require a technically fault-free reproductive process, just one where the intention is to create a reproduction. All digitizations reduce quality in some way. I agree that the levels are abrupt on the scans, but they are a usefully high resolution. It would be a great future project to use some WMF or other funding to pay for a better digitization. Fae -- faewik(a)gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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