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Rod Ward

15 Apr 2015 15 Apr '15

12:48 p.m.

I have agreed to do a workshop on behalf of Wikimedia UK on 15th July and would appreciate some advice about the best ways to deal with topics around Conflict of Interest, Biographies of Living Persons and possibly Paid editing. This will be at the University of Exeter and the expected participants are web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics from their institutions (eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter ) This was originally discussed with Daria in 2013 and then was going to be held in 2014 (Chris McKenna, HJ Mitchell, Martin Poulter etc were copied into the planning). I emailed various experts in March and added it to an email to Richard - but have not had any response from any of them I have looked at: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view and feel reasonably comfortable with the content, but would appreciate any advice on the best way to get these across to this target group, as beyond basic editing I think these will be the most useful areas for the participants to engage with. Rod

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Andy Mabbett

15 Apr 15 Apr

2:19 p.m.

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On 15 April 2015 at 20:48, Rod Ward <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

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the expected participants are web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics from their institutions

I think you will definitely hit CoI issues. I would suggest that you make *certain* that everyone declares their affiliation on their user page. Other than that, the best you can do is to explain WP policies at length and encourage them to refrain from anything too promotional. Also, post a list of the articles here (or on-wiki) so we can all watch over them and assist any newbies who are hounded. Also, please ask them to give the academics' ORCID iDs, per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:ORCID -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Richard Symonds

4:33 p.m.

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I'll get someone to drop you an email or call with advice tomorrow Rod, notwithstanding Andy's (welcome) advice! On 15 Apr 2015 20:48, "Rod Ward" <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

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I have agreed to do a workshop on behalf of Wikimedia UK on 15th July and would appreciate some advice about the best ways to deal with topics around Conflict of Interest, Biographies of Living Persons and possibly Paid editing. This will be at the University of Exeter and the expected participants are web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics from their institutions (eg *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter> ) This was originally discussed with Daria in 2013 and then was going to be held in 2014 (Chris McKenna, HJ Mitchell, Martin Poulter etc were copied into the planning). I emailed various experts in March and added it to an email to Richard – but have not had any response from any of them I have looked at: · *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest> · *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons> · *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view> and feel reasonably comfortable with the content, but would appreciate any advice on the best way to get these across to this target group, as beyond basic editing I think these will be the most useful areas for the participants to engage with. Rod _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Joe Filceolaire

6:17 p.m.

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The first rule of COI editing is DON'T If an article really needs to be changed then post a comment on the talk page then ask for help on the COI noticeboard IMO no new editor should try anything more complicated than that Joe On 16 Apr 2015 00:33, "Richard Symonds" <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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I'll get someone to drop you an email or call with advice tomorrow Rod, notwithstanding Andy's (welcome) advice! On 15 Apr 2015 20:48, "Rod Ward" <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote:

I have agreed to do a workshop on behalf of Wikimedia UK on 15th July and would appreciate some advice about the best ways to deal with topics around Conflict of Interest, Biographies of Living Persons and possibly Paid editing. This will be at the University of Exeter and the expected participants are web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics from their institutions (eg *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter> ) This was originally discussed with Daria in 2013 and then was going to be held in 2014 (Chris McKenna, HJ Mitchell, Martin Poulter etc were copied into the planning). I emailed various experts in March and added it to an email to Richard – but have not had any response from any of them I have looked at: · *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest> · *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons> · *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view> and feel reasonably comfortable with the content, but would appreciate any advice on the best way to get these across to this target group, as beyond basic editing I think these will be the most useful areas for the participants to engage with. Rod _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Charles Matthews

16 Apr 16 Apr

1:58 a.m.

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As has been implied, the COI guideline is nuanced, and so the best advice is to keep on the safe side. The terms of use of the site in respect of paid editing are, on the other hand, clear cut. The former relates to intention, the latter to factual matters that are easier to discuss. I would approach the topic from the direction of paid editing, making the point however that COI need not arise from a financial interest. Charles

WereSpielChequers

7:37 a.m.

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Whilst I agree and gave exactly that advice yesterday to someone who then wrote a review of an article on a talkpage explaining where her publication contradicted it, another editor promptly responded with the suggestion that of course she didn't have a COI and she should amend the article citing her own work. We need to be frank about the differing interpretations of COI in the community. Regards Jonathan Cardy

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On 16 Apr 2015, at 02:17, Joe Filceolaire <filceolaire(a)gmail.com> wrote: The first rule of COI editing is DON'T If an article really needs to be changed then post a comment on the talk page then ask for help on the COI noticeboard IMO no new editor should try anything more complicated than that Joe

On 16 Apr 2015 00:33, "Richard Symonds" <richard.symonds(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: I'll get someone to drop you an email or call with advice tomorrow Rod, notwithstanding Andy's (welcome) advice!

On 15 Apr 2015 20:48, "Rod Ward" <rodward(a)plus.net> wrote: I have agreed to do a workshop on behalf of Wikimedia UK on 15th July and would appreciate some advice about the best ways to deal with topics around Conflict of Interest, Biographies of Living Persons and possibly Paid editing. This will be at the University of Exeter and the expected participants are web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics from their institutions (eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter ) This was originally discussed with Daria in 2013 and then was going to be held in 2014 (Chris McKenna, HJ Mitchell, Martin Poulter etc were copied into the planning). I emailed various experts in March and added it to an email to Richard – but have not had any response from any of them I have looked at: · https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest · https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons · https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view and feel reasonably comfortable with the content, but would appreciate any advice on the best way to get these across to this target group, as beyond basic editing I think these will be the most useful areas for the participants to engage with. Rod _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Rod Ward

15 May 15 May

10:13 a.m.

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Thanks to everyone who responded on this thread. I have started an onwiki page for this event and starting to work on content etc - see https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Exeter_University_July_2015 and edits there or comments on the talk page would be very welcome. During/after the event I will also add the requested list of pages edited during the day. Rod From: wikimediauk-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rod Ward Sent: 15 April 2015 20:48 To: list, UK Wikimedia mailing Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] Advice re wp workshop - COI, BLP & ? Paid editing I have agreed to do a workshop on behalf of Wikimedia UK on 15th July and would appreciate some advice about the best ways to deal with topics around Conflict of Interest, Biographies of Living Persons and possibly Paid editing. This will be at the University of Exeter and the expected participants are web people and possibly other comms people from universities in the south west of England. Their objective is to improve the wp articles on academics from their institutions (eg <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exete r> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Academics_of_the_University_of_Exeter ) This was originally discussed with Daria in 2013 and then was going to be held in 2014 (Chris McKenna, HJ Mitchell, Martin Poulter etc were copied into the planning). I emailed various experts in March and added it to an email to Richard - but have not had any response from any of them I have looked at: . <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest . <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons . <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view and feel reasonably comfortable with the content, but would appreciate any advice on the best way to get these across to this target group, as beyond basic editing I think these will be the most useful areas for the participants to engage with. Rod

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