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Lewis Cawte

12 Aug 2011 12 Aug '11

3:14 p.m.

Hi all Right, I'm not going to bore you with the long back story of this, but I was reading about the recently announced New Orleans hackathon, and as I normally do when I can't get to an event because its abroad or whatever, I go onto IRC and do my normal whiney thing (which I really hate myself for). But anyway, I got talking with 'sumanah, who is the Volunteer Development Coordinator at the Wikimedia Foundation (I guess that makes hackathons and stuff part of her job), but she suggested that if I can't get to these, why don't I organise my own... So anyway, then we got talking about some stuff, and we decided that it would be best, especially for my first event not necessarily worry about international developers and participants as much, and that I should focus the event locally. A few of the main hurdles with me not being able to get to the other hackathons are that my age, I'm 14 (15 in early September), so it makes finding a simple flight or whatever harder to find (because my parents don't have passports, and would not be able to afford coming with me, or finding something else to do), and cash to pay for hotel room and travel is also a problem. These problems also kind of apply to me running a hackathon, and a few solutions that came up were that 1, I hold it somewhere in Brighton, or somewhere rather close, and 2, that I contact my local chapter (if memberships a problem for no chapter support, I'll get the application in for the next meeting). And basicly I need to know, * How many of you would be interested in coming to a MediaWiki Hackathon, will be before Christmas this year, which would last a day or two, depending on the level of support and interest we get. There may be an opportunity for a chapter/GLAM/board meetup depending on time/venue/interest, but I still need to find out the relevant information before that can be arranged fully. I plan to cross post an announcement to * What support I can get from the chapter, I don't have a lot of money, and I don't get a lot either, if anything, how much would the chapter be willing to put into this event. * Would anyone interested be willing to pay a small fee to attend, like £5/10 a day? This has yet to be decided but it would help especially if the chapter doesn't have much money it can spare... * How many MediaWiki developers, toolserver users (not toolserver tools users, but people that have their own tools/bots on toolserver) do we have here, because I personally don't know of that many, but it'd be nice if we could have some kind of workshop thing or mentoring program, because if we don't have a few, we're going to have a lot of bored people sitting in a room for a couple of days. I've spoken to a few of the other developers in #mediawiki, and I know one or two people that have said they would be happy to travel into the UK if I can get one organised and run by Christmas... * Deputy Event manager like person. As I've said, I'll be 15 when this happens, and I'm not comfortable running this by myself, or booking stuff in my name... or being the emergency contact on the time of the event, mainly because I'm a stupidly heavy sleeper. I am happy, however to go to the event, do some speaking, go shopping or order shopping for snacks, work out transport routes and stuff, and I'll go along with someone to visit the venue if need be... Oh yeah, and if anyone doesn't know what a hackathon is, I've probably left it a bit late to explain, but its a meetup with a few talks and a lot of coding and bug fixing (and for this one, specifically MediaWiki related tools (so toolserver, pybot etc as well)). Hope I haven't forgotten anything, -- Lewis Cawte

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Harry Burt

13 Aug 13 Aug

1:38 p.m.

Hey Lewis, I'd be really interested in attending a UK hackathon. I'm a bot developer, Toolserver tool operator, and occasional MediaWiki hacker. That said, the dates would be really important to me. It's either got to be a weekend in September (too close) or some time in December. Sorry. Anyway, best of luck with the whole initiative. Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com>wrote;wrote:

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** Hi all Right, I'm not going to bore you with the long back story of this, but I was reading about the recently announced New Orleans hackathon, and as I normally do when I can't get to an event because its abroad or whatever, I go onto IRC and do my normal whiney thing (which I really hate myself for). But anyway, I got talking with 'sumanah, who is the Volunteer Development Coordinator at the Wikimedia Foundation (I guess that makes hackathons and stuff part of her job), but she suggested that if I can't get to these, why don't I organise my own... So anyway, then we got talking about some stuff, and we decided that it would be best, especially for my first event not necessarily worry about international developers and participants as much, and that I should focus the event locally. A few of the main hurdles with me not being able to get to the other hackathons are that my age, I'm 14 (15 in early September), so it makes finding a simple flight or whatever harder to find (because my parents don't have passports, and would not be able to afford coming with me, or finding something else to do), and cash to pay for hotel room and travel is also a problem. These problems also kind of apply to me running a hackathon, and a few solutions that came up were that 1, I hold it somewhere in Brighton, or somewhere rather close, and 2, that I contact my local chapter (if memberships a problem for no chapter support, I'll get the application in for the next meeting). And basicly I need to know, - How many of you would be interested in coming to a MediaWiki Hackathon, will be before Christmas this year, which would last a day or two, depending on the level of support and interest we get. There may be an opportunity for a chapter/GLAM/board meetup depending on time/venue/interest, but I still need to find out the relevant information before that can be arranged fully. I plan to cross post an announcement to - What support I can get from the chapter, I don't have a lot of money, and I don't get a lot either, if anything, how much would the chapter be willing to put into this event. - Would anyone interested be willing to pay a small fee to attend, like £5/10 a day? This has yet to be decided but it would help especially if the chapter doesn't have much money it can spare... - How many MediaWiki developers, toolserver users (not toolserver tools users, but people that have their own tools/bots on toolserver) do we have here, because I personally don't know of that many, but it'd be nice if we could have some kind of workshop thing or mentoring program, because if we don't have a few, we're going to have a lot of bored people sitting in a room for a couple of days. I've spoken to a few of the other developers in #mediawiki, and I know one or two people that have said they would be happy to travel into the UK if I can get one organised and run by Christmas... - Deputy Event manager like person. As I've said, I'll be 15 when this happens, and I'm not comfortable running this by myself, or booking stuff in my name... or being the emergency contact on the time of the event, mainly because I'm a stupidly heavy sleeper. I am happy, however to go to the event, do some speaking, go shopping or order shopping for snacks, work out transport routes and stuff, and I'll go along with someone to visit the venue if need be... Oh yeah, and if anyone doesn't know what a hackathon is, I've probably left it a bit late to explain, but its a meetup with a few talks and a lot of coding and bug fixing (and for this one, specifically MediaWiki related tools (so toolserver, pybot etc as well)). Hope I haven't forgotten anything, -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Thomas Morton

1:52 p.m.

Same here; I've be happy to consider attending if we got a few people together. Tom On 13 August 2011 11:38, Harry Burt <harryaburt(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Chris Keating

15 Aug 15 Aug

2:17 p.m.

I've already mentioned this to Lewis off-list but might as well post here as well. If Lewis and the others who have expressed interest can organise the event then WMUK will be keen to support it financially to make sure there is no entrance fee and no-one is digging into their own pockets. Formally speaking it will need a written proposal with a figure for us to approve, but we definitely want to support community initiative like this. Indeed, I'm hoping that for 2012 escalating the current "microgrant" scheme to handle larger grants as well, so we have a more transparent and easy-to-publicise process than people posting on this email list and then someone from the board saying "good idea, what do you need!" Chris On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Thomas Morton < morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Same here; I've be happy to consider attending if we got a few people together. Tom On 13 August 2011 11:38, Harry Burt <harryaburt(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Michael Peel

2:22 p.m.

On 15 Aug 2011, at 12:17, Chris Keating wrote:

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Indeed, I'm hoping that for 2012 escalating the current "microgrant" scheme to handle larger grants as well, so we have a more transparent and easy-to-publicise process than people posting on this email list and then someone from the board saying "good idea, what do you need!"

Just a quick comment on this point - we'll be increasing the microgrants to a maximum of £250, and streamlining the process a bit more, in the very near future (i.e. as soon as I find the time to implement the changes…). Macrogrants (defining that as any grant over £250) are another kettle of fish that we need to figure out a more transparent process for, but in the interim, proposals sent to the board would be very welcome. Thanks, Mike

Andrew Gray

2:31 p.m.

On 15 August 2011 12:22, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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A thought - other than funding for MW/WM related events, what sort of thing do you envisage microgrants being used for? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Michael Peel

2:36 p.m.

On 15 Aug 2011, at 12:31, Andrew Gray wrote:

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On 15 August 2011 12:22, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

A thought - other than funding for MW/WM related events, what sort of thing do you envisage microgrants being used for?

There's a list of examples at: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Microgrants/Examples but microgrants aren't restricted to just those things - so if you're thinking of something that isn't currently listed, put in an application anyway and we'll mull it over. :-) The basic criteria is that it has to further the chapter's Object: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_Association#Object Thanks, Mike

Richard Farmbrough

18 Aug 18 Aug

11:05 p.m.

Lewis Cawte

11:53 p.m.

On 18/08/11 21:05, Richard Farmbrough wrote:

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I would be interested in a UK Hackathon, and there are a fair number of heavy-duty UK techies, I suppose the way forward would be a weekend event, and the crux would be, primarily, suitable premises. * Good wifi, plenty of mains outlets. * Food and drink * Presentation facilities * Cheap accommodation * Reasonably easy to get to (this is always a problem in the UK of course) Perhaps the best way is to start small but scalable? _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Glad to hear your interested :) I'm speaking with the most likely venue tomorrow, as their designated person is in office Mondays and Fridays. The venue has Wifi, not sure about mains outlets, but the lady from the venue said its used for hackathon like events a fair bit, so they should have plenty. Food and drink, I've been asking people, and generally from what I've heard, snacks and lunch are provided by the organisers, and dinner people go off with their new friends, or by themselves to get dinner and drinks... Presentations - I've heard at past events they've not had the right balance of presentations to coding/hacking, and that there were too many. So I'm going to have to work that out, but after I've got the venue and date confirmed (next week or two), then I'll put out a call for speakers and see how many talks we want. Apparently the space is small enough not to require microphones, but if any speaker specificly wants to use one, let me know way in advance! Venue will be providing a projector for us. Getting there - this venue I'm looking at is a 6 minute walk (mostly downhill slightly) from Brighton Station, cars are ok, as I think there's a big car park nearby (a few roads away), but don't hold me to this! Accommodation - I'm going to leave that up to people to arrange, I'll put a few sites on the page when venue and date is up, but its not my strong point, I live a 30 minute bus ride away, so its never been something I've looked at, I know theres some (not so cheap?) hotels along the seafront, but I'll go in and have a look for other things if/when I go to checkout the venue in person. I know in past hackathons people have arranged group offers for their attendees, but thats not something I personally am going to be able to do, if someone is worried about accommodation, poke me, and feel free to go scope out a cheap place where we can book people into where needs be. Any other questions, comments etc, they are all welcome! -- Lewis Cawte

Richard Farmbrough

19 Aug 19 Aug

1:36 a.m.

Sounds good! Last time I spent the night in Brighton was WorldCon, no sleeping was involved! However that is not a great idea if I am driving .... On 18/08/2011 21:53, Lewis Cawte wrote:

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Thomas Morton

1:40 a.m.

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Sounds good! Last time I spent the night in Brighton was WorldCon, no sleeping was involved! However that is not a great idea if I am driving .... On 18/08/2011 21:53, Lewis Cawte wrote:

this!

Accommodation - I'm going to leave that up to people to arrange, I'll put a few sites on the page when venue and date is up, but its not my strong point, I live a 30 minute bus ride away, so its never been something I've looked at, I know theres some (not so cheap?) hotels along the seafront, but I'll go in and have a look for other things if/when I go to checkout the venue in person. I know in past hackathons people have arranged group offers for their attendees, but thats not something I personally am going to be able to do, if someone is worried about accommodation, poke me, and feel free to go scope out a cheap place where we can book people into where needs be. Any other questions, comments etc, they are all welcome! -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Lewis Cawte

11:28 a.m.

On 18/08/11 23:40, Thomas Morton wrote:

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Youch... but of a trek :) But I should be able to make it to Brighton without too much pain. Are there any suggested dates? Tom On 18 August 2011 23:36, Richard Farmbrough <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk <mailto:richard@farmbrough.co.uk>> wrote: Sounds good! Last time I spent the night in Brighton was WorldCon, no sleeping was involved! However that is not a great idea if I am driving .... On 18/08/2011 21:53, Lewis Cawte wrote:

Glad to hear your interested :) I'm speaking with the most likely venue tomorrow, as their

designated

person is in office Mondays and Fridays. The venue has Wifi, not

sure

about mains outlets, but the lady from the venue said its used for hackathon like events a fair bit, so they should have plenty. Food and drink, I've been asking people, and generally from what

I've

heard, snacks and lunch are provided by the organisers, and dinner people go off with their new friends, or by themselves to get

dinner and

drinks... Presentations - I've heard at past events they've not had the right balance of presentations to coding/hacking, and that there were too many. So I'm going to have to work that out, but after I've got the venue and date confirmed (next week or two), then I'll put out a

call

for speakers and see how many talks we want. Apparently the space is small enough not to require microphones, but if any speaker

specificly

wants to use one, let me know way in advance! Venue will be

providing a

projector for us. Getting there - this venue I'm looking at is a 6 minute walk (mostly downhill slightly) from Brighton Station, cars are ok, as I think there's a big car park nearby (a few roads away), but don't hold

me to this!

Accommodation - I'm going to leave that up to people to arrange,

I'll

put a few sites on the page when venue and date is up, but its

not my

strong point, I live a 30 minute bus ride away, so its never been something I've looked at, I know theres some (not so cheap?) hotels along the seafront, but I'll go in and have a look for other things if/when I go to checkout the venue in person. I know in past

hackathons

people have arranged group offers for their attendees, but thats not something I personally am going to be able to do, if someone is

worried

about accommodation, poke me, and feel free to go scope out a cheap place where we can book people into where needs be. Any other questions, comments etc, they are all welcome! -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Currently discussing the weekend of the 12th, at the venue for the Saturday and half of the Sunday, but people are welcome to come for just the Saturday if they need to get home etc, and for people travelling down early on the Friday, if there's enough interest I'll stick up some activity for anyone that doesn't want to be stuck in their hotel for half a day... after I've finished school, possibly a tour or something... BBQ on the beach? :P

Lewis Cawte

11:59 a.m.

On 19/08/11 09:28, Lewis Cawte wrote:

...

On 18/08/11 23:40, Thomas Morton wrote:

Glad to hear your interested :) I'm speaking with the most likely venue tomorrow, as their

designated

person is in office Mondays and Fridays. The venue has Wifi,

not sure

about mains outlets, but the lady from the venue said its used for hackathon like events a fair bit, so they should have plenty. Food and drink, I've been asking people, and generally from

what I've

heard, snacks and lunch are provided by the organisers, and dinner people go off with their new friends, or by themselves to get

dinner and

a call

for speakers and see how many talks we want. Apparently the

space is

small enough not to require microphones, but if any speaker

specificly

wants to use one, let me know way in advance! Venue will be

providing a

projector for us. Getting there - this venue I'm looking at is a 6 minute walk

(mostly

downhill slightly) from Brighton Station, cars are ok, as I think there's a big car park nearby (a few roads away), but don't

hold me to this!

Accommodation - I'm going to leave that up to people to

arrange, I'll

put a few sites on the page when venue and date is up, but its

not my

hackathons

people have arranged group offers for their attendees, but

thats not

something I personally am going to be able to do, if someone is

worried

(November)

WereSpielChequers

20 Aug 20 Aug

3:01 a.m.

As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still leaves you the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month. WSC On 19 August 2011 09:59, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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** On 19/08/11 09:28, Lewis Cawte wrote: On 18/08/11 23:40, Thomas Morton wrote: Youch... but of a trek :) But I should be able to make it to Brighton without too much pain. Are there any suggested dates? Tom On 18 August 2011 23:36, Richard Farmbrough <richard(a)farmbrough.co.uk>wrote;wrote:

Sounds good! Last time I spent the night in Brighton was WorldCon, no sleeping was involved! However that is not a great idea if I am driving .... On 18/08/2011 21:53, Lewis Cawte wrote:

this!

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_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing listwikimediauk-l@wikimedia.orghttp://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org Currently discussing the weekend of the 12th, at the venue for the Saturday and half of the Sunday, but people are welcome to come for just the Saturday if they need to get home etc, and for people travelling down early on the Friday, if there's enough interest I'll stick up some activity for anyone that doesn't want to be stuck in their hotel for half a day... after I've finished school, possibly a tour or something... BBQ on the beach? :P (November) _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Lewis Cawte

10:20 a.m.

On 20/08/11 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote:

...

On 18/08/11 23:40, Thomas Morton wrote:

Glad to hear your interested :) I'm speaking with the most likely venue tomorrow, as their

designated

person is in office Mondays and Fridays. The venue has

Wifi, not sure

about mains outlets, but the lady from the venue said its

used for

hackathon like events a fair bit, so they should have plenty. Food and drink, I've been asking people, and generally

from what I've

heard, snacks and lunch are provided by the organisers,

and dinner

people go off with their new friends, or by themselves to

get dinner and

drinks... Presentations - I've heard at past events they've not had

the right

balance of presentations to coding/hacking, and that there

were too

many. So I'm going to have to work that out, but after

I've got the

venue and date confirmed (next week or two), then I'll put

out a call

for speakers and see how many talks we want. Apparently

the space is

small enough not to require microphones, but if any

speaker specificly

wants to use one, let me know way in advance! Venue will

be providing a

projector for us. Getting there - this venue I'm looking at is a 6 minute

walk (mostly

downhill slightly) from Brighton Station, cars are ok, as

I think

there's a big car park nearby (a few roads away), but

don't hold me to this!

Accommodation - I'm going to leave that up to people to

arrange, I'll

put a few sites on the page when venue and date is up, but

its not my

strong point, I live a 30 minute bus ride away, so its

never been

something I've looked at, I know theres some (not so

cheap?) hotels

along the seafront, but I'll go in and have a look for

other things

if/when I go to checkout the venue in person. I know in

past hackathons

people have arranged group offers for their attendees, but

thats not

something I personally am going to be able to do, if

someone is worried

about accommodation, poke me, and feel free to go scope

out a cheap

place where we can book people into where needs be. Any other questions, comments etc, they are all welcome! -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org

<mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org>

http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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I don't see any info on a London meetup that weekend, or is it "common knowledge" and they are always on the 2nd weekend or something?

James Forrester

10:35 a.m.

On 20 August 2011 08:20, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On 20/08/11 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote:

As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still leaves you the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month. WSC

I don't see any info on a London meetup that weekend, or is it "common knowledge" and they are always on the 2nd weekend or something?

Yes. We've had the London meetups on the second Sunday of the month now 42 times now (November will be London meetup 51 - I've now created it at [[m:Meetup/London/51]]). All Wikimedians or Wikimedia-friendly people welcome, as always. :-) J. -- James D. Forrester jdforrester(a)wikimedia.org | jdforrester(a)gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]]

Gordon Joly

10 Sep 10 Sep

11:39 p.m.

On 20/08/2011 08:35, James Forrester wrote:

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Why was Wikimeet 50 moved, James? :-) Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Gordon Joly

20 Aug 20 Aug

11 a.m.

On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote:

...

As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still leaves you the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month.

I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to the London Wikimeet. Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Lewis Cawte

22 Aug 22 Aug

7:57 a.m.

On 20/08/11 09:00, Gordon Joly wrote:

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On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote:

As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still leaves you the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month.

I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to the London Wikimeet. Gordo

WereSpielChequers

12:50 p.m.

...

On 20/08/11 09:00, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote:

As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still leaves you the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month.

I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to the London Wikimeet. Gordo

If anyone gives me a decent case on why I should move it, I will, but at the moment, I'm staying put, just because thats already what people have seen or been told that it will probably be... -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Lewis Cawte

25 Aug 25 Aug

10:58 p.m.

I've decided (due to various factors) that I'm going to move it back a weekend, it will now be on the 19th/20th of November. Still confirming a venue, maybe looking at a group booking at Travellodge ... Can't think of what else I was going to mention but feel free to question me. :) -- Lewis Cawte On 22/08/11 10:50, WereSpielChequers wrote:

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On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote: > As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and > avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still

leaves you

the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month.

I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to the London Wikimeet. Gordo

If anyone gives me a decent case on why I should move it, I will, but at the moment, I'm staying put, just because thats already what people have seen or been told that it will probably be... -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

Thomas Morton

26 Aug 26 Aug

4:12 a.m.

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** I've decided (due to various factors) that I'm going to move it back a weekend, it will now be on the 19th/20th of November. Still confirming a venue, maybe looking at a group booking at Travellodge ... Can't think of what else I was going to mention but feel free to question me. :) -- Lewis Cawte On 22/08/11 10:50, WereSpielChequers wrote: Well I thought I made a decent case for avoiding a clash..... People can't attend both and for most people the London meetup will be closer. WSC On 22 August 2011 05:57, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

On 20/08/11 09:00, Gordon Joly wrote:

On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote:

As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still leaves you the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month.

I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to the London Wikimeet. Gordo

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Lewis Cawte

10:09 a.m.

On 26/08/11 02:12, Thomas Morton wrote:

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On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote: > As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that

we try and

> avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still

leaves you

the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month.

I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to

the London

Wikimeet. Gordo

If anyone gives me a decent case on why I should move it, I will, but at the moment, I'm staying put, just because thats already what people have seen or been told that it will probably be... -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

Good question, I know I have a WMF staff member/contractor who said he'd come (Catrope - Dutch Citizen) and 'sumanah' has been drumming up some interest on IRC... I'll see about listing it on Meta events, maybe that'll show some up, but I was told chapter folk know the best way to advertise this on wiki :) -- Lewis Cawte PS: The wiki page for this is located at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Brighton_Hackathon_2011 - however registration via another form will be required if anyone is after the group booking (I need atleast 10 rooms booked for that?) and to speed up stuff on the day.

Deryck Chan

10:23 a.m.

You can have a geonotice on selected projects if you so wish. This has been the standard way to publicize an event in the past 2 years or so. On Aug 26, 2011 3:09 PM, "Lewis Cawte" <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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On 26/08/11 02:12, Thomas Morton wrote:

On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote: > As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that

we try and

> avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still

leaves you

> the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month. > I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to

the London

Wikimeet. Gordo

If anyone gives me a decent case on why I should move it, I will, but at the moment, I'm staying put, just because thats already what people have seen or been told that it will probably be... -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

Michael Peel

11:15 a.m.

Requesting a geonotice is a good plan.[1] We can also tweet about it from @wikimediauk if that would help - there's a lot of mediawiki techie people on twitter. Dropping a note to wikitech-l [2] would also be a good plan. But I'd recommend expanding the info on the wiki page some more before advertising it too widely... [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geonotice [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Mike On 26 Aug 2011, at 08:23, Deryck Chan wrote:

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On 26/08/11 02:12, Thomas Morton wrote:

Well I thought I made a decent case for avoiding a clash..... People can't attend both and for most people the London meetup will be closer. WSC On 22 August 2011 05:57, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com <mailto:lewiscawte@googlemail.com>> wrote: On 20/08/11 09:00, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote: >> As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that we try and >> avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still leaves you >> the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month. >> > I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to the London > Wikimeet. > > Gordo If anyone gives me a decent case on why I should move it, I will, but at the moment, I'm staying put, just because thats already what people have seen or been told that it will probably be... -- Lewis Cawte _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l

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Lewis Cawte

11:18 a.m.

On 26/08/11 09:15, Michael Peel wrote:

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Requesting a geonotice is a good plan.[1] We can also tweet about it from @wikimediauk if that would help - there's a lot of mediawiki techie people on twitter.

Sounds like a plan :) Who do I poke when I've got a bit more info available?

...

Dropping a note to wikitech-l [2] would also be a good plan. But I'd recommend expanding the info on the wiki page some more before advertising it too widely...

Will do, once I've got the venue confirmed :)

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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Geonotice [2] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l Mike On 26 Aug 2011, at 08:23, Deryck Chan wrote:

On 26/08/11 02:12, Thomas Morton wrote:

Lewis, I am still definitely interested. Perhaps it is a good time now to get a firm list of possible attendees? I mean; so far it seems to be me and Richard who are interested in attending. If it is only three of us, hell, I am still up for it :) but maybe drumming up more firm interest would be good? Is there a way to drum up wider interest on-wiki? Tom On 25 August 2011 20:58, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com <mailto:lewiscawte@googlemail.com>> wrote: I've decided (due to various factors) that I'm going to move it back a weekend, it will now be on the 19th/20th of November. Still confirming a venue, maybe looking at a group booking at Travellodge ... Can't think of what else I was going to mention but feel free to question me. :) -- Lewis Cawte On 22/08/11 10:50, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Well I thought I made a decent case for avoiding a clash..... > People can't attend both and for most people the London meetup > will be closer. > > WSC > > On 22 August 2011 05:57, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com > <mailto:lewiscawte@googlemail.com>> wrote: > > On 20/08/11 09:00, Gordon Joly wrote: >> On 20/08/2011 01:01, WereSpielChequers wrote: >>> As Brighton is rather close to London can I suggest that > we try and >>> avoid having this clash with the London meetup? That still > leaves you >>> the 1st, 3rd and 4th weekends of the month. >>> >> I tend to disagree. Make the choice without reference to > the London >> Wikimeet. >> >> Gordo > If anyone gives me a decent case on why I should move it, I > will, but at > the moment, I'm staying put, just because thats already what > people have > seen or been told that it will probably be... > > -- Lewis Cawte > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Michael Peel

11:22 a.m.

On 26 Aug 2011, at 09:18, Lewis Cawte wrote:

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On 26/08/11 09:15, Michael Peel wrote:

Requesting a geonotice is a good plan.[1] We can also tweet about it from @wikimediauk if that would help - there's a lot of mediawiki techie people on twitter.

Sounds like a plan :) Who do I poke when I've got a bit more info available?

Lewis Cawte

11:31 a.m.

On 26/08/11 09:22, Michael Peel wrote:

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On 26 Aug 2011, at 09:18, Lewis Cawte wrote:

On 26/08/11 09:15, Michael Peel wrote:

Requesting a geonotice is a good plan.[1] We can also tweet about it from @wikimediauk if that would help - there's a lot of mediawiki techie people on twitter.

Sounds like a plan :) Who do I poke when I've got a bit more info available?

Let either me or Chris Keating know, and we'll sort out the tweet. BTW, I've just realised that we have a WMUK in-person board meeting scheduled to place that weekend (19-20 Nov), so I'm probably not going to be able to attend this, sadly. :-( Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Crumbs, I'm not having the best of luck with organising a date for this :| I see the wiki was only just updated for both of these ... Speaking of board meetings, I wonder if my membership application has made it in yet.. It doesn't look like we're going to fill much of the hall/area I've looked into booking, let alone the breakout room (if anyone wants a breakout room for up to 20 people, let me know!) lol.. could be interesting ^.^

Michael Peel

12:22 p.m.

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Crumbs, I'm not having the best of luck with organising a date for this :| I see the wiki was only just updated for both of these …

Sorry about that - the dates have been at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings for a while, but I only realised that they weren't on the events page this morning.

...

Speaking of board meetings, I wonder if my membership application has made it in yet..

I can't spot it on the online system - did you apply online or by post?

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It doesn't look like we're going to fill much of the hall/area I've looked into booking, let alone the breakout room (if anyone wants a breakout room for up to 20 people, let me know!) lol.. could be interesting ^.^

Thomas Morton

12:41 p.m.

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Crumbs, I'm not having the best of luck with organising a date for this :| I see the wiki was only just updated for both of these …

Sorry about that - the dates have been at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings for a while, but I only realised that they weren't on the events page this morning.

Speaking of board meetings, I wonder if my membership application has made it in yet..

I can't spot it on the online system - did you apply online or by post?

I'm sure you'll fill it in the end - it'll just take a little work to get people's attentions. ;-) Another thought - it would probably be worth contacting university computer science departments to see if they have anyone interested in coming along and learning how to contribute to mediawiki. Similarly other UK tech groups. Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

WereSpielChequers

1:53 p.m.

I've put it in the meta meetup template http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMeetup_list&acti… But I suggest not doing any geonotices until you have booked at a venue and put it on the meetup page. WSC On 26 August 2011 10:41, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Crumbs, I'm not having the best of luck with organising a date for this :| I see the wiki was only just updated for both of these …

Sorry about that - the dates have been at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings for a while, but I only realised that they weren't on the events page this morning.

Speaking of board meetings, I wonder if my membership application has made it in yet..

I can't spot it on the online system - did you apply online or by post?

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Harry Burt

1:59 p.m.

Per previous, I am still interested in this, though I would probably attend for a day (no overnight), but we'll see. No point getting a large place though, if it's still such a short list. Even a packed 20-seater would be better than an empty 80-seater, I guess. But on the upside, it can still be a success even with low numbers of attendees and I'm looking forward to it :) -- Harry p.s. sumanah is Sumana Harihareswara, the Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:53 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Crumbs, I'm not having the best of luck with organising a date for this :| I see the wiki was only just updated for both of these …

Sorry about that - the dates have been at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings for a while, but I only realised that they weren't on the events page this morning.

Speaking of board meetings, I wonder if my membership application has made it in yet..

I can't spot it on the online system - did you apply online or by post?

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Thomas Morton

2:02 p.m.

That makes it at least 5 then (If Roan is still interesting) Attendee list: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Brighton_Hackathon_2011 * * Lewis: if your certain of the date & are sure the venue won't be an issue I will try and drum up some trade on Wikipedia. Tom On 26 August 2011 11:59, Harry Burt <harryaburt(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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> Crumbs, I'm not having the best of luck with organising a date for this > :| I see the wiki was only just updated for both of these … Sorry about that - the dates have been at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings for a while, but I only realised that they weren't on the events page this morning. > Speaking of board meetings, I wonder if my membership application has > made it in yet.. I can't spot it on the online system - did you apply online or by post? > It doesn't look like we're going to fill much of the hall/area I've > looked into booking, let alone the breakout room (if anyone wants a > breakout room for up to 20 people, let me know!) lol.. could be > interesting ^.^ I'm sure you'll fill it in the end - it'll just take a little work to get people's attentions. ;-) Another thought - it would probably be worth contacting university computer science departments to see if they have anyone interested in coming along and learning how to contribute to mediawiki. Similarly other UK tech groups. Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Lewis Cawte

6:07 p.m.

Thanks to all the advice all, I'm (still) working with people from the venue I've been looking at, yes they have whiteboards and wifi :) And anyone want to cook lunch? :P (Still working on that one, depending on the venue, we might be going out for lunch somewhere, depending if the venue want to supply lunch/give us access to their kitchen. On 26 August 2011 12:02, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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I don't know if Brighton has a Linux User Group? But they might be interested (and also may have suggestions for venues and other helpful stuff). The only really important thing in a venue is the WiFi ;) As to advertising; post on the Bot Owners Noticeboard. Tom On 26 August 2011 10:22, Michael Peel <michael.peel(a)wikimedia.org.uk>wrote;wrote: > > > Crumbs, I'm not having the best of luck with organising a date for > this > > :| I see the wiki was only just updated for both of these … > > Sorry about that - the dates have been at > http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings for a while, but I only realised > that they weren't on the events page this morning. > > > Speaking of board meetings, I wonder if my membership application has > > made it in yet.. > > I can't spot it on the online system - did you apply online or by post? > > > It doesn't look like we're going to fill much of the hall/area I've > > looked into booking, let alone the breakout room (if anyone wants a > > breakout room for up to 20 people, let me know!) lol.. could be > > interesting ^.^ > > I'm sure you'll fill it in the end - it'll just take a little work to > get people's attentions. ;-) Another thought - it would probably be worth > contacting university computer science departments to see if they have > anyone interested in coming along and learning how to contribute to > mediawiki. Similarly other UK tech groups. > > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

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Tom Morris

7:19 p.m.

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Lewis Cawte

27 Aug 27 Aug

1:01 a.m.

Hi Tom, I'm already in talks with some people at the Skiff discussing us using it :) Glad you know about it as well! Designer wise, I don't see why not? I'm sure there are plenty of design related bugs out there and other things they can do... -- Lewis Cawte On 26 August 2011 17:19, Tom Morris <tom(a)tommorris.org> wrote:

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:41, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

What Brighton does have: BarCamp! <http://barcampbrighton.org/> I'll be there and will be happy to talk Wikimedia stuff to anyone who will listen: might be an idea to try and get people from the BarCamp community to come along, as well as the many open source communities in Brighton: * BrightonPy - http://brightonpy.org/ * Async - http://asyncjs.com/ * Brighton Ruby User Group - http://www.brighton-ruby.org.uk/ * Brighton Girl Geek Dinners * UX Brighton (because Wikimedia could do with some UX people to tell us how to suck less) etc. etc. I've tweeted about it as I know a lot of designers and developer types in Brighton who might be interested - I'm presuming we are going to let designers turn up and give us their wisdom? ;-) I'll contact The Skiff, a coworking place in Brighton that a friend of mine runs to see if he's interested in letting us use some space there. They have hosted BarCamp for 100+ people, but have nice small rooms and office space for hacking. -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Thomas Morton

9 Sep 9 Sep

11:38 a.m.

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Lewis Cawte

5:47 p.m.

On 09/09/11 09:38, Thomas Morton wrote:

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Just to bump this... I'm sorting out my Schedule for November; is this definitely planned to go ahead? Is it time to start promoting it more (two months lead in is just enough to stir up some attendance I suspect). Tom On 26 August 2011 23:01, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com <mailto:lewiscawte@googlemail.com>> wrote: Hi Tom, I'm already in talks with some people at the Skiff discussing us using it :) Glad you know about it as well! Designer wise, I don't see why not? I'm sure there are plenty of design related bugs out there and other things they can do... -- Lewis Cawte On 26 August 2011 17:19, Tom Morris <tom(a)tommorris.org <mailto:tom@tommorris.org>> wrote: On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:41, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com <mailto:morton.thomas@googlemail.com>> wrote:

I don't know if Brighton has a Linux User Group? But they

might be

interested (and also may have suggestions for venues and

other helpful

stuff). The only really important thing in a venue is the WiFi ;) As to advertising; post on the Bot Owners Noticeboard.

What Brighton does have: BarCamp! <http://barcampbrighton.org/> I'll be there and will be happy to talk Wikimedia stuff to anyone who will listen: might be an idea to try and get people from the BarCamp community to come along, as well as the many open source communities in Brighton: * BrightonPy - http://brightonpy.org/ * Async - http://asyncjs.com/ * Brighton Ruby User Group - http://www.brighton-ruby.org.uk/ * Brighton Girl Geek Dinners * UX Brighton (because Wikimedia could do with some UX people to tell us how to suck less) etc. etc. I've tweeted about it as I know a lot of designers and developer types in Brighton who might be interested - I'm presuming we are going to let designers turn up and give us their wisdom? ;-) I'll contact The Skiff, a coworking place in Brighton that a friend of mine runs to see if he's interested in letting us use some space there. They have hosted BarCamp for 100+ people, but have nice small rooms and office space for hacking. -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

It should be going ahead then, and if the event does go ahead, it'll be on that date, but I can't seem to get a response from the Skiff anymore... Advertising wise, let me get a reply from the skiff first... I was rather suprised to see a note on the Brighton hackathon in the latest Wiki Signpost... :( -- Lewis Cawte

Thomas Morton

5:52 p.m.

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It should be going ahead then, and if the event does go ahead, it'll be on that date, but I can't seem to get a response from the Skiff anymore...

Ok, I'll pencil it in as very likely :) I notice there are more names on the attendees list - that's kinda cool.

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Advertising wise, let me get a reply from the skiff first... I was rather suprised to see a note on the Brighton hackathon in the latest Wiki Signpost... :)

Good stuff! The blog post linked in that article was interesting ( http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2011/09/01/0) Tom

Charles Matthews

17 Aug 17 Aug

2:52 p.m.

New subject: Process for grants, was Re: A proposal... MediaWiki Hackathon

On 15/08/2011 12:22, Michael Peel wrote:

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Macrogrants (defining that as any grant over £250) are another kettle of fish that we need to figure out a more transparent process for, but in the interim, proposals sent to the board would be very welcome.

I would definitely like to see a path within the grant process that is more wiki-like than filling in a regular application form. To explain what I mean by this: reputation on a wiki is or at least should be determined by what an editor does with the chance to edit (and nothing more nor less). My standing idea for the grant process, given that microgrants are supposed to be process-lite, is that for a given person qualification for a larger grant should be judged more by what was done with the microgrant, than by making a laborious "business case". Ideally a grant has an effect that shows up in diffs, on one of the projects, and getting to a higher standing ought to be on the basis "look at my diffs" rather than anything else. So I'm envisaging individual editors being encouraged to show what they can do with small grants and coming back for more when the results are visible. I think this kind of emphasis should be built into the system. In the bigger picture, WMF projects are somewhat short of such ways to recognise good work. Charles

Thomas Dalton

2:56 p.m.

New subject: Process for grants, was Re: A proposal... MediaWiki Hackathon

On 17 August 2011 12:52, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

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So I'm envisaging individual editors being encouraged to show what they can do with small grants and coming back for more when the results are visible. I think this kind of emphasis should be built into the system.

While some ideas for macrogrants could lend themselves to a microgrant trial-run, not all will. I don't think there should be an expectation that you apply for a microgrant before you apply for a macrogrant.

Charles Matthews

4:32 p.m.

New subject: Process for grants, was Re: A proposal... MediaWiki Hackathon

On 17/08/2011 12:56, Thomas Dalton wrote:

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On 17 August 2011 12:52, Charles Matthews <charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:

That is not what I meant,; and indeed the other thread on digitisation suggests that some macrogrants could be (a) initiating, not following on from microgrants, and perhaps (b) not to individual Wikimedians, nor directly concerned with WMF projects, but in effect to companies doing work to professional standards that is considered worthwhile in its own right. But on the other hand I think there is great merit in the concept of having grants that are awarded only on track record. It's egalitarian, cuts out bureaucracy, and encourages the development of knowhow and constructive relationships (of members with the chapter, the chapter with specific things going on in the projects, board members with people who are involved with assessment). Charles

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