Dear Wikimedians, Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the future of Coventry. This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a slot to speak on the Friday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing knowledge.
We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this might be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me know if your are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak. I will be looking forward to hearing back from you.
Hasina
I'm sure this isn't your fault, Hasina, but this is something that's getting on my nerves, and those of other volunteers. We have an expenses policy (http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012#Reimbursement_of_Expenses), which specifies when the chapter will cover expenses and what expenses they will cover. For people to start applying their own, contradictory policies is only going to confuse matters and is likely to lead to the kind of confusion that the office was (at least in part) established to prevent.
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case. Harry Mitchell
Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
________________________________ From: Hasina Khatun hasina.khatun@wikimedia.org.uk To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:12 Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry
Dear Wikimedians, Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the future of Coventry.
This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a slot to speak on theFriday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing knowledge. We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this might be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me know if your are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak. I will be looking forward to hearing back from you. Hasina _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Thanks for the email Harry - I'm sorry to hear that people are worried about our expenses policy. Any concerns should go to Jon.
I think that in this case, we weren't as clear as we could be when sending out the initial email. I think that the policy is applied thoroughly and fairly, and it's being used for this event.
We've been invited to speak at the conference for 20 minutes, on one day - we're thus happy to cover expenses for that day. However, as we're not actually required for the other days, I don't think that accommodation overnight for anyone - staff or volunteer - would be in line with our charitable objects.
We can fund people to speak at the conference, by all means: that would be well within our objects (we'd be teaching people about Wikimedia). People are welcome to stay for all three days on their own time, of course, but I don't think that attending the entire conference is really something that Wikimedia UK could fund using donor funds.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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On 25 September 2012 16:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
I'm sure this isn't your fault, Hasina, but this is something that's getting on my nerves, and those of other volunteers. We have an expenses policy ( http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012#Reimbursement_of_Expenses), which specifies when the chapter will cover expenses and what expenses they will cover. For people to start applying their own, contradictory policies is only going to confuse matters and is likely to lead to the kind of confusion that the office was (at least in part) established to prevent.
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case.
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
*From:* Hasina Khatun hasina.khatun@wikimedia.org.uk *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:12 *Subject:* [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry
Dear Wikimedians, Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the future of Coventry. This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a slot to speak on the Friday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing knowledge.
We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this might be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me know if your are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak. I will be looking forward to hearing back from you.
Hasina
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I can see Richard's point although in this case the conference is free although I guess there is still transport. I'm quite willing to pick up Harry if it makes some kind odf sense (I'm there all three days) I'm willing to be the reserve speaker or to share or whatever
Roger
On 25 September 2012 17:26, Richard Symonds < richard.symonds@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Thanks for the email Harry - I'm sorry to hear that people are worried about our expenses policy. Any concerns should go to Jon.
I think that in this case, we weren't as clear as we could be when sending out the initial email. I think that the policy is applied thoroughly and fairly, and it's being used for this event.
We've been invited to speak at the conference for 20 minutes, on one day - we're thus happy to cover expenses for that day. However, as we're not actually required for the other days, I don't think that accommodation overnight for anyone - staff or volunteer - would be in line with our charitable objects.
We can fund people to speak at the conference, by all means: that would be well within our objects (we'd be teaching people about Wikimedia). People are welcome to stay for all three days on their own time, of course, but I don't think that attending the entire conference is really something that Wikimedia UK could fund using donor funds.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
*Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
On 25 September 2012 16:57, HJ Mitchell hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
I'm sure this isn't your fault, Hasina, but this is something that's getting on my nerves, and those of other volunteers. We have an expenses policy ( http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012#Reimbursement_of_Expenses), which specifies when the chapter will cover expenses and what expenses they will cover. For people to start applying their own, contradictory policies is only going to confuse matters and is likely to lead to the kind of confusion that the office was (at least in part) established to prevent.
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case.
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
*From:* Hasina Khatun hasina.khatun@wikimedia.org.uk *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:12 *Subject:* [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry
Dear Wikimedians, Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the future of Coventry. This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a slot to speak on the Friday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing knowledge.
We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this might be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me know if your are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak. I will be looking forward to hearing back from you.
Hasina
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Harry, I'm not sure I understand your objection. What aspect of the expenses policy is being contradicted? On Sep 25, 2012 4:57 PM, "HJ Mitchell" hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
I'm sure this isn't your fault, Hasina, but this is something that's getting on my nerves, and those of other volunteers. We have an expenses policy ( http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012#Reimbursement_of_Expenses), which specifies when the chapter will cover expenses and what expenses they will cover. For people to start applying their own, contradictory policies is only going to confuse matters and is likely to lead to the kind of confusion that the office was (at least in part) established to prevent.
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case.
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
*From:* Hasina Khatun hasina.khatun@wikimedia.org.uk *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:12 *Subject:* [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry
Dear Wikimedians, Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the future of Coventry. This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a slot to speak on the Friday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing knowledge.
We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this might be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me know if your are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak. I will be looking forward to hearing back from you.
Hasina
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Harry, if you're going to keep starting list emails with "I'm sick of...." or "...getting on my nerves..." you really need to make sure you have a valid complaint, or it kinda backfires. When people use that sort of construction, it also gives the impression that the email is primarily about them, rather than the topic. Just a bit of advice,
On Tuesday, 25 September 2012, Thomas Dalton wrote:
Harry, I'm not sure I understand your objection. What aspect of the expenses policy is being contradicted? On Sep 25, 2012 4:57 PM, "HJ Mitchell" hjmitchell@ymail.com wrote:
I'm sure this isn't your fault, Hasina, but this is something that's getting on my nerves, and those of other volunteers. We have an expenses policy ( http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012#Reimbursement_of_Expenses), which specifies when the chapter will cover expenses and what expenses they will cover. For people to start applying their own, contradictory policies is only going to confuse matters and is likely to lead to the kind of confusion that the office was (at least in part) established to prevent.
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case.
Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ Phone: 024 7698 0977 Skype: harry_j_mitchell
*From:* Hasina Khatun hasina.khatun@wikimedia.org.uk *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 25 September 2012, 14:12 *Subject:* [Wikimediauk-l] CityCamp Coventry
Dear Wikimedians, Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the future of Coventry. This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a slot to speak on the Friday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing knowledge.
We could be able to cover your travel, but not the accommodation, so this might be an ideal opportunity for a person based locally. Please let me know if your are free to attend the whole weekend or just to go and speak. I will be looking forward to hearing back from you.
Hasina
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On 25 September 2012 14:12, Hasina Khatun hasina.khatun@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Wikimedia UK has been invited recently invited to an event in Coventry on 19 October - CiyCamp Coventry (www.citycampcov.org.uk). CityCamp aims to encourage and enable local government, businesses, community organisations and academia to share knowledge, web technologies and experience to help shape the future of Coventry. This event will be held on Friday 19 October 2012 at 13:00 till Sunday 21 October 2012 at 16:30 at the City Council Offices. We have managed to get a slot to speak on the Friday afternoon at 3pm, for 20 minutes. If anyone is free and would like to discuss Wikimedia UK's work at this event, please let us know as it would be great to engage with as many people as possible about sharing knowledge.
I'm going anyway, and would be happy to speak as you suggest.
On 25/09/12 16:57, HJ Mitchell wrote:
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case.
From: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012 .....
"All claims for reimbursement will be paid, unless disputed, by BACS or through petty cash within a week of approval..."
BACS was replaced by Faster Payments in January 2012.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BACS
Gordo
Old users may still call their system BACS. (Cambridge University still does; I know they're not representative though.) On Sep 27, 2012 8:00 AM, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 25/09/12 16:57, HJ Mitchell wrote:
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case.
From: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012 .....
"All claims for reimbursement will be paid, unless disputed, by BACS or through petty cash within a week of approval..."
BACS was replaced by Faster Payments in January 2012.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BACS
Gordo
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On 27 September 2012 10:49, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
Old users may still call their system BACS. (Cambridge University still does; I know they're not representative though.) On Sep 27, 2012 8:00 AM, "Gordon Joly" gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
On 25/09/12 16:57, HJ Mitchell wrote:
If the policy is inadequate, it should be modified, but until it is, it should be applied to every case.
From: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Finance_Policy_2012 .....
"All claims for reimbursement will be paid, unless disputed, by BACS or through petty cash within a week of approval..."
BACS was replaced by Faster Payments in January 2012.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BACS
Gordo
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On 27 September 2012 08:00, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
BACS was replaced by Faster Payments in January 2012.
Generic wording such as "electronic transfer" would be (relatively) future-proof.
Per [[WP:CRYSTAL]] ;-)
Or simply "bank transfer". Not sure if we worry about tele-banking or banks being replaced first. On Sep 27, 2012 11:22 AM, "Andy Mabbett" andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 27 September 2012 08:00, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
BACS was replaced by Faster Payments in January 2012.
Generic wording such as "electronic transfer" would be (relatively) future-proof.
Per [[WP:CRYSTAL]] ;-)
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We only had faster payments enabled on our bank last month. That said, it could do with changing - I'll put it on my to do list next time we review the policy.
Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992
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On 27 September 2012 14:09, Deryck Chan deryckchan@gmail.com wrote:
Or simply "bank transfer". Not sure if we worry about tele-banking or banks being replaced first. On Sep 27, 2012 11:22 AM, "Andy Mabbett" andy@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
On 27 September 2012 08:00, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
BACS was replaced by Faster Payments in January 2012.
Generic wording such as "electronic transfer" would be (relatively) future-proof.
Per [[WP:CRYSTAL]] ;-)
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