We did discuss it in Wahsington and decided to leave it aside while we worked on the plan for 2013. I am going to speak honestly here. I wondered if we would ever get a plan, given how many different ideas and views there were about what should be in it, and what structure it should take. My strategy given the delays was just to get on with delivering the 2012 plan to the best of our ability. However in creating the bid to the FDC for 2013 I realised we really did need to show planning ahead and I revisited the three and five year plan. The application form asks us to look to the future and this is sensible. I think the current three and five year plan is good enough to work from, whilst keeping it under review, and our FDC bid has been largely informed by it by necessity. There is a terrible tendency in planning to 'never quite get there' , waiting for perfection. We have been a bit prone to that. This plan went through four re-writes over about the same number of months. It is common sense and achievable in my view. Jon Davies. On 28 September 2012 23:00, Andrew Turvey <andrewrturvey(a)googlemail.com>wrote;wrote: -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

I think that would depend on how you define re-writes Tom. They felt like re-writes and stuff changed. I Incorporated a lot of people's suggestions and tried to find consensus. I listened a lot and acted. You are being unfair. Jon On 30 September 2012 12:50, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: -- *Jon Davies - Chief Executive Wikimedia UK*. Mobile (0044) 7803 505 169 tweet @jonatreesdavies Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk

On 30 September 2012 13:23, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: You're claiming to measure thought by text diffs. This has a certain surface plausibility, but insisting on it when you've been told "no, that's not a strong measure" suggests you need to back it up as a measure in general. - d.

On 30 September 2012 15:55, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: I am. You said "you didn't change much", Jon says "we actually put a hell of a lot of thought into it", you answer "no you didn't, 'cos you didn't change much". - d.

Oh FFS. Can everyone please talk about the issues, in this case the plan itself, rather than people? If you (still) have problems with the content of the plan, then list those issues and discuss it. We don't need a dozen emails back and forth arguing whether the existing changes constitute a "rewrite". KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine

I have explained my views on the plan at length on this mailing list and the wiki. I have no intention of repeating myself now. On Sep 30, 2012 4:16 PM, "Doug Weller" <dougweller(a)gmail.com> wrote: content of