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Thomas Dalton

23 Jul 2011 23 Jul '11

10:23 p.m.

It doesn't look like there is much of a UK contingent going to Wikimania - we didn't even make the top 5 countries list. There's also no mention of WMUK sponsoring anyone despite there being £10k in the budget for Wikimania sponsorship. Could someone on the board let us know what that money is being spent on? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Harel Cain <harel.cain(a)gmail.com> Date: 23 July 2011 20:45 Subject: [Wikimania-l] Some statistics about Wikimania 2011 To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Jessie Wild <jwild(a)wikimedia.org> Hi al, Some statistics about Wikimania 2011: * We expect upwards of 470 confirmed attendees. The exact number is difficult to tell, but all those we consider confirmed are paid for and have never cancelled. * Our confirmed attendees hail from 56 different countries. The highest participation is from Israel (26%), United States (16%), Germany (9.6%), Netherlands (4.7%) and India (4.3%). * 22% percent of participants are female. That's a wonderful number, considering the research finding that only about 13% of editors are women. * About 1150 people submitted a scholarship application, 450 made it to the second round of filtering. About 80 full scholarships and about 60 partial scholarships were awarded by the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikimedia Deutschland gave out 16 scholarships, WM Italia 8, WM France about 7 (?), WM Austria about 5, WM Russia 3, WMCH 2. The average age of scholarship applicant was about 31, the median age about 27. * About 11% of participants are vegetarian or vegan. See you all soon in Haifa! Harel Cain Wikimania 2011 local team _______________________________________________ Wikimania-l mailing list Wikimania-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l

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Thomas Morton

23 Jul 23 Jul

10:28 p.m.

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Yes it was a shame; I was hoping to go but I not allowed, sadly, to travel to Israel. Another editor I know also had similar difficulties. I wonder how much this affected numbers going? Tom On 23 July 2011 21:23, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Thomas Dalton

10:35 p.m.

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On 23 July 2011 21:28, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Yes it was a shame; I was hoping to go but I not allowed, sadly, to travel to Israel. Another editor I know also had similar difficulties. I wonder how much this affected numbers going?

Not allowed by whom?

Thomas Morton

10:40 p.m.

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Accidentally forgot my "clean" passport when travelling in the middle east, got refused entry and now I am declined any visa. The other guy was just refused his visa, no idea why. Tom On 23 July 2011 21:35, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 23 July 2011 21:28, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

Yes it was a shame; I was hoping to go but I not allowed, sadly, to

travel

to Israel. Another editor I know also had similar difficulties. I wonder how much this affected numbers going?

Not allowed by whom? _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Deryck Chan

24 Jul 24 Jul

8:11 a.m.

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What passport do you use? (UK passport holders shouldn't need to apply for a visa in advance to go to Israel. If we do need them I'm in deep trouble) On Jul 24, 2011 4:40 AM, "Thomas Morton" <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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Accidentally forgot my "clean" passport when travelling in the middle

east,

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got refused entry and now I am declined any visa. The other guy was just refused his visa, no idea why. Tom On 23 July 2011 21:35, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 23 July 2011 21:28, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com>

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> > Yes it was a shame; I was hoping to go but I not allowed, sadly, to > travel > > to Israel. Another editor I know also had similar difficulties. > > I wonder how much this affected numbers going? > > Not allowed by whom? > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org >

Thomas Dalton

3:25 p.m.

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On 24 July 2011 07:11, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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What passport do you use? (UK passport holders shouldn't need to apply for a visa in advance to go to Israel. If we do need them I'm in deep trouble)

If you've previously been refused entry, that usually makes you ineligible for visa-free entry in the future.

Thomas Morton

3:34 p.m.

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What passport do you use? (UK passport holders shouldn't need to apply

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visa in advance to go to Israel. If we do need them I'm in deep trouble)

If you've previously been refused entry, that usually makes you ineligible for visa-free entry in the future.

^^ This. You should be fine if you have never travelled in the region before. Usually it goes the other way (certain countries are funny about Israeli stamps) but in this case they were very funny about it. Tom

Deryck Chan

4:19 p.m.

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The closest I am to getting into trouble is a stamp from Malaysia this January. That's the far east though so I hope it won't be a problem... The main problem may actually lie with the fact that I'll fly from Hong Kong with two other guys holding a Hong Kong passport and a Portuguese passport respectively... On Jul 24, 2011 9:34 PM, "Thomas Morton" <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com> wrote:

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> > > What passport do you use? (UK passport holders shouldn't need to apply > for a > > visa in advance to go to Israel. If we do need them I'm in deep

trouble)

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If you've previously been refused entry, that usually makes you ineligible for visa-free entry in the future.

Thomas Dalton

6:07 p.m.

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On 24 July 2011 15:19, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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The closest I am to getting into trouble is a stamp from Malaysia this January. That's the far east though so I hope it won't be a problem...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel#Singapore There is a mention in passing in that section about poor relations between Israel and Malaysia - apparently Malaysia won't let Israeli planes fly in its airspace. I wouldn't be surprised if you are asked what you were doing in Malaysia, but as long as was just a holiday or similar, I doubt they'll stop you entering the country.

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The main problem may actually lie with the fact that I'll fly from Hong Kong with two other guys holding a Hong Kong passport and a Portuguese passport respectively...

According to the China section of the above article, relations between Israel and China are quite good. The Portugal section is empty, but I can't see holding an EU passport being a problem. A group of young men travelling together will probably cause them to take a closer look at you, but it wouldn't count against you in itself.

Tom Morris

23 Jul 23 Jul

10:32 p.m.

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On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 21:23, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I've been given sponsorship by the chapter and am really looking forward to it! Will be covering it for Signpost and there'll be tweets, blog posts and lots more. -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

Chris Keating

24 Jul 24 Jul

11:36 a.m.

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I understand we're financially supporting seven or eight people (most of them not from the UK). Not sure why that is on the list. Your email is written as if you expect "number of people from the UK attending Wikimania" to be one of the metrics of the Chapter's success - why is this, out of interest? Chris

Thomas Dalton

3:33 p.m.

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On 24 July 2011 10:36, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I understand we're financially supporting seven or eight people (most of them not from the UK). Not sure why that is on the list.

Make sure you get on the list - you want the chapter to look good! It's excellent publicity for the chapter within the Wikimedia community.

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Your email is written as if you expect "number of people from the UK attending Wikimania" to be one of the metrics of the Chapter's success - why is this, out of interest?

I think it is self-evident that more people from the UK attending WIkimania would be a good thing. The chapter is in a position to help that. The WMF's sponsorship programme typically doesn't give many (or any) sponsorships to people in the UK, so it would be good if the chapter did instead.

Chris Keating

3:42 p.m.

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Your email is written as if you expect "number of people from the UK attending Wikimania" to be one of the metrics of the Chapter's success -

why

is this, out of interest?

Well of course we could decide that WMUK would pay the full costs of anyone from the UK who wanted to go to Wikimania. I'm not sure why that would be a good use of WMUK's funds, though.

Thomas Dalton

3:48 p.m.

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On 24 July 2011 14:42, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Your email is written as if you expect "number of people from the UK attending Wikimania" to be one of the metrics of the Chapter's success - why is this, out of interest?

Well of course we could decide that WMUK would pay the full costs of anyone from the UK who wanted to go to Wikimania. I'm not sure why that would be a good use of WMUK's funds, though.

I'm not going to engage in a discussion with you if you are going to intentionally misinterpret me and raise straw men.

Gordon Joly

25 Jul 25 Jul

3:19 p.m.

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On 24/07/2011 14:42, Chris Keating wrote:

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[...] Well of course we could decide that WMUK would pay the full costs of anyone from the UK who wanted to go to Wikimania. I'm not sure why that would be a good use of WMUK's funds, though.

Why not offer a limited travel bursary (but without accommodation costs for example) and expect the person who goes to write up some sort of report? Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Chris Keating

3:31 p.m.

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On 24/07/2011 14:42, Chris Keating wrote:

[...] Well of course we could decide that WMUK would pay the full costs of anyone from the UK who wanted to go to Wikimania. I'm not sure why that would be a good use of WMUK's funds, though.

Why not offer a limited travel bursary (but without accommodation costs for example) and expect the person who goes to write up some sort of report?

That, I think, is actually what we are doing. :-) I've got no objection to WMUK broadening participation in the Wikimedia movement by supporting people to attend Wikimania who might not otherwise be able to - whether those people are in the UK or elsewhere. We can also do rather better at communicating Wikimania's existence to some of our community, and publicising the support arrangements. However, all of that said, I don't really think it is WMUK's "problem" if not many people from the UK attend Wikimania. People are quite capable of going to Wikimania without any involvement from the Chapter. Also, since Chris raised the idea of us hosting Wikimania - personally I'm not sure what the benefits to WMUK of hosting would be - can someone spell them out? Chris

Alex Stinson

5:17 p.m.

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Also, since Chris raised the idea of us hosting Wikimania - personally I'm

not sure what the benefits to WMUK of hosting would be - can someone spell them out?

Here are some benefits off the top of my head. I am sure there are more too, but these seem to be the most important: - Builds enthusiasm amongst local Wikimedia community both because of the planning process and the chance to easily, at low cost to them, go to the conference and learn about cool things other people are doing - Chance to showcase the chapter and its approach to stuff, because of the high number of in country attendees - Chance to invite partners to observe the amazingness (both in diversity and in variety of projects) of the global community - Chance to create media hype that might draw in people who had otherwise not participated in Wikimedia stuffs - Chance to get other Free Knowledge communities more engaged, or at least in better contact, with Wikimedia Alex Stinson

Tom Morris

5:41 p.m.

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 16:17, Alex Stinson <stinsoad(a)dukes.jmu.edu> wrote:

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Also, since Chris raised the idea of us hosting Wikimania - personally I'm not sure what the benefits to WMUK of hosting would be - can someone spell them out?

Here are some benefits off the top of my head. I am sure there are more too, but these seem to be the most important: Builds enthusiasm amongst local Wikimedia community both because of the planning process and the chance to easily, at low cost to them, go to the conference and learn about cool things other people are doing Chance to showcase the chapter and its approach to stuff, because of the high number of in country attendees Chance to invite partners to observe the amazingness (both in diversity and in variety of projects) of the global community Chance to create media hype that might draw in people who had otherwise not participated in Wikimedia stuffs Chance to get other Free Knowledge communities more engaged, or at least in better contact, with Wikimedia

The other reason: Wikimedians in the UK could attend for a lot less money than if it were elsewhere. ;-) But that's not quite such a good reason as the ones Alex listed. -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

Thomas Dalton

11:49 p.m.

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On 25 July 2011 14:31, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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However, all of that said, I don't really think it is WMUK's "problem" if not many people from the UK attend Wikimania.

I never actually said it was. This list is for the Wikimedia community in the UK, not just the chapter. I was just commenting generally that not many people from the UK seem to be going.

Gordon Joly

26 Jul 26 Jul

9:07 a.m.

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On 25/07/2011 14:31, Chris Keating wrote:

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Also, since Chris raised the idea of us hosting Wikimania - personally I'm not sure what the benefits to WMUK of hosting would be - can someone spell them out?

Kudos? Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals!

Deryck Chan

3:25 p.m.

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Read the Oxford 2010 bid ;) On Jul 26, 2011 3:07 PM, "Gordon Joly" <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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On 25/07/2011 14:31, Chris Keating wrote:

Also, since Chris raised the idea of us hosting Wikimania - personally I'm not sure what the benefits to WMUK of hosting would be - can someone spell them out?

Kudos? Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.joly(a)pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Tom Morris

25 Jul 25 Jul

4:57 p.m.

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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 14:19, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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On 24/07/2011 14:42, Chris Keating wrote:

[...] Well of course we could decide that WMUK would pay the full costs of anyone from the UK who wanted to go to Wikimania. I'm not sure why that would be a good use of WMUK's funds, though.

Why not offer a limited travel bursary (but without accommodation costs for example) and expect the person who goes to write up some sort of report?

That is sort of what I'm planning on doing. Anyone who is attending and wants to help with writing "some sort of report": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost#Wikimania_co… -- Tom Morris <http://tommorris.org/>

Roger Bamkin

26 Jul 26 Jul

12:37 a.m.

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Hi Tom, The 10K was in the budget and had not been spent at last meeting in Birmingham. It was thought then too late to spend it, but I volunteered for the task. Basically I sent out an email and funded those people who applied and we also funded some who had failed to get foundation funding (two from overseas). All of this is in Wiki board minutes. Its not ideal, as we started too late to do a more thorough job. I understand the foundation discussed their funding in January. cheers Roger On 23 July 2011 21:23, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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-- Roger Bamkin Chair WMUK <http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board> 01332 702993 (aka @Victuallers)

Andrew Gray

3:29 p.m.

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On 25 July 2011 23:37, Roger Bamkin <victuallers(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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If it's any help, I'm willing to put in a retroactive application to help use up some funds ;-) Would it be worthwhile stating in advance - ie, now or fairly soon - the intention of funding some people to go to WM2012, even if the details of what criteria to use aren't yet set out? Then people will at least know something is available and can register an interest in it, and there'll be some impetus to have it get spent. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

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