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Stuart Prior

21 Jul 2016 21 Jul '16

12:37 p.m.

Hello all, Just a reminder that Wiki Loves Monuments is around the corner, andn coincidently we are looking for input on volunteer equipment. (Specifically photography and AV equipment) Here is a list of current equipment we have: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Equipment_Loan_Procedure#Multimedia We’d ideally strive for some kind of balance between quality and quantity, but are not averse to a big ticket item if it will facilitate a specific piece of work. But ideas suggested to me by volunteers and other Wikimedians so far have been: More lapel microphones (to record panel events etc) Shoulder rig Video light box. Filters. Extra batteries and memory cards. A bigger telephoto lens A handy audio recorder A camera drone A selfie stick We have a budget of £1000. If as part of the suggestions, people could also look at prices and possible good value vendors, that would be helpful too. Please reply all here, or alternatively, with suggestions on the wiki. <https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Talk:Equipment_Loan_Procedure> Looking to firm up decisions over the next couple of weeks. Thanks -- *Stuart Prior* *Project Coordinator* *Wikimedia UK* +44 20 7065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

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geni

21 Jul 21 Jul

1:24 p.m.

On 21 July 2016 at 13:37, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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Hmm the usual rule I have with photographic equipment is don't buy until there is an active need. What are you and volunteers doing? Looking through the list: Shoulder rig--some people like these, some don't. Are you doing a lot of mobile video? Video light box.--don't you have a couple of these already? If you have an event where you need more they might be worth renting. Filters--could have sworn you have some. Anyway circular polarisers are pretty useful. Anything else I'd wait for a specific need. Extra batteries and memory cards.--Yup. A bigger telephoto lens--You've got a fair bit of reach with your current setup and there aren't really any cheap ways of doing this. If you really want more than the cheapest decent option would be a second hand Canon 100-400mm L IS MK1 which london camera exchange are currently selling for as low as £650. https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Canon-EF-100-400mm-L-IS-USM_153926.html ebay may be cheaper. A camera drone--Not really an option within your current budget. Try again next year. My experience is that stuff wikipedia needs photos of tends to be wide rather than long. Cheapest option would be £270 samyang 14mm Samyang 14mm f/2.8 IF ED UMC or the samyang 10mm at £330. These lenses are manual focus only mind. http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-t31-vdslr-cine-lens-canon.html http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-f28-edas-ncs-cs-lens-canon.html Amazon and ukdigital tend to be level on prices with regards to samyang but ukdigital have given my better customer support. -- geni

geni

1:26 p.m.

On 21 July 2016 at 14:24, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-t31-vdslr-cine-lens-canon.html http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-f28-edas-ncs-cs-lens-canon.html

first link should have been to http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-14mm-f2-8-lens-canon-eos.html -- geni

Stuart Prior

1:59 p.m.

Thanks Geni, Some good suggestions. "Wide rather than long" seems like a good option for WLM. Best Stuart On 21 July 2016 at 06:26, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 21 July 2016 at 14:24, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-t31-vdslr-cine-lens-canon.html http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-f28-edas-ncs-cs-lens-canon.html

first link should have been to http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-14mm-f2-8-lens-canon-eos.html -- geni _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

-- *Stuart Prior* *Project Coordinator* *Wikimedia UK* +44 20 7065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

Michael Maggs

3:06 p.m.

For WLM, the Canon attachment that writes GPS coordinates into the photo metadata. Michael

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On 21 Jul 2016, at 14:59, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote: Thanks Geni, Some good suggestions. "Wide rather than long" seems like a good option for WLM. Best Stuart

On 21 July 2016 at 06:26, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 21 July 2016 at 14:24, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote:

http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-t31-vdslr-cine-lens-canon.html http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/samyang-10mm-f28-edas-ncs-cs-lens-canon.html

-- Stuart Prior Project Coordinator Wikimedia UK +44 20 7065 0990 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

geni

3:27 p.m.

On 21 July 2016 at 16:06, Michael Maggs <michael(a)maggs.name> wrote:

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For WLM, the Canon attachment that writes GPS coordinates into the photo metadata.

Canon doesn't make on that is compatible with the cameras that WMUK has though. -- geni

Katie Chan

10:53 p.m.

On 21/07/2016 14:24, geni wrote:

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A pair of this <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PhotoSEL_LS21E52_Softbox_Studio_Lighting_Kit.JPG> exist.

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Filters--could have sworn you have some. Anyway circular polarisers are pretty useful. Anything else I'd wait for a specific need.

These <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Opteka_58mm_lens_filter_set.JPG> exists.

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Extra batteries and memory cards.--Yup.

I can't comment on the battery life of the EOS M, or the 1100D in Wales, but the 60D don't really need extra batteries. There's already 2 Canon original batteries each of which last more than enough for most if not all use cases. Memory cards though, yup.

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A bigger telephoto lens--You've got a fair bit of reach with your current setup and there aren't really any cheap ways of doing this. If you really want more than the cheapest decent option would be a second hand Canon 100-400mm L IS MK1 which london camera exchange are currently selling for as low as £650. https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Canon-EF-100-400mm-L-IS-USM_153926.html ebay may be cheaper.

It's not so much the need for a bigger one, but rather another one. There's currently one for the 3 cameras that can use it. Personally, there's events I can certainly photograph much better/at all with another telephoto lens given the existing one being used in Wales currently. KTC -- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

geni

22 Jul 22 Jul

9:54 a.m.

On 21 July 2016 at 23:53, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info> wrote:

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Well affordable third party long zooms don't have the best of reputations so your options would probably be either the Canon EF-S 55-250 mm f/4-5.6 IS STM (amazon says £163) or if you wanted a bit more reach a second hand canon EF 70–300mm f/4–5.6 IS USM (London camera exchange says £250) but thats about twice the weight: https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Canon-EF-70-300MM-IS-USM_151341.html -- geni

Michael Peel

9:40 p.m.

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On 22 Jul 2016, at 10:54, geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 21 July 2016 at 23:53, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info>> wrote: It's not so much the need for a bigger one, but rather another one. There's currently one for the 3 cameras that can use it. Personally, there's events I can certainly photograph much better/at all with another telephoto lens given the existing one being used in Wales currently. KTC Well affordable third party long zooms don't have the best of reputations so your options would probably be either the Canon EF-S 55-250 mm f/4-5.6 IS STM (amazon says £163) or if you wanted a bit more reach a second hand canon EF 70–300mm f/4–5.6 IS USM (London camera exchange says £250) but thats about twice the weight: https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Canon-EF-70-300MM-IS-USM_151341.html <https://www.lcegroup.co.uk/Used/Canon-EF-70-300MM-IS-USM_151341.html>

If you want something that can cover the whole range, then Sigma do some quite nice superzoom lenses - I've been using an 18-200mm stabilised lens as my every-day lens on my 60D since 2010. There's a newer (2012-era) 18-250mm lens that looks better: https://www.ephotozine.com/article/sigma-18-250mm-f-3-5-6-3-dc-macro-os-hsm… costing around £200-£280 - but I'm a bit out of date on the newest lenses... Thanks, Mike

geni

27 Jul 27 Jul

3:01 p.m.

On 22 July 2016 at 22:40, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

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Rex X

28 Jul 28 Jul

5:20 p.m.

The only thing I can say about microphones is that when I was recording bands in the 1970s, we mostly used Shure SM57s and SM58s. They were expensive but unbelievably rugged. You could use a cheap condenser microphone to mike up a flute or for "filling in", but the SM57s always sounded better when miking up acoustic guitars, drums, etc. I never found anything as good as the SM58s for vocals. I guess there must be newer, cheaper mikes around now, but I'm out of touch with modern studio equipment. -- Rexx

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On 27 July 2016 at 16:01 geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 22 July 2016 at 22:40, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

Well that would certainly solve the problem of providing a decent reach without lens duplication although I'd be surprised if it didn't distort a fair bit at the wider end. And while I'll accept the blame this conversation has been largely about lenses. Anyone got anything to say about microphones? -- geni _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Harry Mitchell

29 Jul 29 Jul

1:30 p.m.

Hi Stuart, It's not what you asked, I know, but WMUK should consider investing in some new merchandise - using Wikipedia branding, not the WMUK logo because nobody has any idea what the latter is, which sort of defeats the point. I (re-)learnt at Wikimania that hats can be very useful outreach tools. Harry Mitchell http://enwp.org/User:HJ +44 (0) 7507 536 971 Skype: harry_j_mitchell On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Rex X <freezetag(a)blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

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On 27 July 2016 at 16:01 geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 22 July 2016 at 22:40, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote: > > If you want something that can cover the whole range, then Sigma do

some

> quite nice superzoom lenses - I've been using an 18-200mm stabilised

lens as

> my every-day lens on my 60D since 2010. There's a newer (2012-era)

18-250mm

> lens that looks better: >

https://www.ephotozine.com/article/sigma-18-250mm-f-3-5-6-3-dc-macro-os-hsm…

> costing around £200-£280 - but I'm a bit out of date on the newest

lenses...

Thanks, Mike

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Stuart Prior

18 Aug 18 Aug

12:58 p.m.

Hello All, Thanks all for your contributions to this. It's been very helpful. We will take on the feedback and come up with a list of particular equipment we will buying and let the community know in due course. Best Stuart On 29 July 2016 at 06:30, Harry Mitchell <hjmwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 27 July 2016 at 16:01 geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 22 July 2016 at 22:40, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote: > > If you want something that can cover the whole range, then Sigma do

some

> quite nice superzoom lenses - I've been using an 18-200mm stabilised

lens as

> my every-day lens on my 60D since 2010. There's a newer (2012-era)

18-250mm

> lens that looks better: > https://www.ephotozine.com/article/sigma-18-250mm-f-3-5-

6-3-dc-macro-os-hsm-lens-review-19470

> costing around £200-£280 - but I'm a bit out of date on the newest

lenses...

Thanks, Mike

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geni

8 Feb 8 Feb

12:51 a.m.

On 18 August 2016 at 13:58, Stuart Prior <stuart.prior(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:

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For those that didn't read the Friends' Newsletter (https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Friends%27_Newsletter/2017/Issue_01) they went with : Samyang 10mm f/2.8 ED AS NCS CS Lens for Canon 70-300mm f/5.6 Canon lens SD cards (and card holders) MicroSD cards (and card holders) Camera shoulder rig -- geni

Gordon Joly

9:17 a.m.

On 08/02/17 00:51, geni wrote:

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For those that didn't read the Friends' Newsletter

John Lubbock

2:38 p.m.

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On 08/02/17 00:51, geni wrote:

For those that didn't read the Friends' Newsletter

I don't normally read the Friends' Newsletter. Is this a new serial publication? Makes interesting reading though..... "Copyright law in its current form works for large rightsholders organisations, but doesn’t work for individual creators and users of creative works." I think we try to make it work for us, perhaps? And I am not monkeying around! :-) Gordo _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Gordon Joly

4:55 p.m.

Is the "Friends Newsletter" what was formerly the "Members Newsletter"? Gordo On 08/02/17 14:38, John Lubbock wrote:

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Hi Gordon, I'm trying to ensure the newsletter is quarterly this year. I'm happy to take suggestions from the mailing list about projects that we could be covering for future editions. John On 8 February 2017 at 09:17, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com <mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com>> wrote: On 08/02/17 00:51, geni wrote: > For those that didn't read the Friends' Newsletter

Lucy Crompton-Reid

5:01 p.m.

Hi Gordo (and all) I'm not sure exactly when the name changed (certainly before Autumn 2015) but we only produce one newsletter, which is currently called the Friends' Newsletter. It's meant to indicated 'friends' in the broadest sense, meaning allies, rather than the traditional voluntary sector use of 'Friends' which would tend to mean donors. The newsletter goes to paying members but also a much wider group of subscribers. Best Lucy On 8 February 2017 at 16:55, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote:

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Is the "Friends Newsletter" what was formerly the "Members Newsletter"? Gordo On 08/02/17 14:38, John Lubbock wrote:

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Katie Chan

9 Feb 9 Feb

midnight

It's been called Friends' Newsletter since April 2014 when it started going to company members, those who signed up independently (either through an online form or on one of WMUK flyers), and some who said yes during a post WLM survey. It replaced the previous Members' Newsletter which only went out to company members. KTC On 08/02/2017 17:01, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:

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Hi Gordon, I'm trying to ensure the newsletter is quarterly this year. I'm happy to take suggestions from the mailing list about projects

that

we could be covering for future editions. John On 8 February 2017 at 09:17, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com

<mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com>

<mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com <mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com>>> wrote: On 08/02/17 00:51, geni wrote: > For those that didn't read the Friends' Newsletter

_______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l> WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk -- Lucy Crompton-Reid Chief Executive Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 207 065 0991 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Lucy Crompton-Reid

9:34 a.m.

Thanks Katie :) On 9 February 2017 at 00:00, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info> wrote:

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Hi Gordon, I'm trying to ensure the newsletter is quarterly this

year.

I'm happy to take suggestions from the mailing list about projects

that

we could be covering for future editions. John On 8 February 2017 at 09:17, Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com

<mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com>

<mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com <mailto:gordon.joly@pobox.com>>>

wrote:

On 08/02/17 00:51, geni wrote: > For those that didn't read the Friends' Newsletter

-- Katie Chan Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent the view of any organisation the author is associated with or employed by. Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

Gordon Joly

10:51 a.m.

On 08/02/17 17:01, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:

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The newsletter goes to paying members but also a much wider group of subscribers.

So what are we paying for? :-) Gordo

Gordon Joly

11:14 a.m.

On 09/02/17 09:34, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:

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Thanks Katie :) On 9 February 2017 at 00:00, Katie Chan <ktc(a)ktchan.info <mailto:ktc@ktchan.info>> wrote: It's been called Friends' Newsletter since April 2014 when it started going to company members, those who signed up independently (either through an online form or on one of WMUK flyers), and some who said yes during a post WLM survey. It replaced the previous Members' Newsletter which only went out to company members. KTC

I do like Categories! https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Category:Friends%27_Newsletter :-) Gordo

Charles Matthews

11:16 a.m.

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On 09 February 2017 at 10:51 Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: On 08/02/17 17:01, Lucy Crompton-Reid wrote:

The newsletter goes to paying members but also a much wider group of subscribers.

So what are we paying for? :-)

I imagine, rather less than the administrative cost of running a membership organisation of a couple of hundred members. Remember the discussion about this, in early 2010? Didn't think so. Charles

Gordon Joly

11:49 a.m.

On 09/02/17 11:16, Charles Matthews wrote:

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I imagine, rather less than the administrative cost of running a membership organisation of a couple of hundred members. Remember the discussion about this, in early 2010? Didn't think so. Charles

I am not sure I remember. Should I look it up? I am happy to reflect on my own reasons for re-joining WMUK and what has happened in the past few years. For my own personal consumption, if that's OK with y'all. Gordo

Charles Matthews

11:58 a.m.

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On 09 February 2017 at 11:49 Gordon Joly <gordon.joly(a)pobox.com> wrote: On 09/02/17 11:16, Charles Matthews wrote:

I imagine, rather less than the administrative cost of running a membership organisation of a couple of hundred members. Remember the discussion about this, in early 2010? Didn't think so. Charles

If you want to hash over all this - I mean seven years of comms and membership decisions by WMUK - you need another thread. Charles

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