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Michael Peel

13 Oct 2015 13 Oct '15

1:39 a.m.

Hi all, I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see: http://getonlineweek.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here. Thanks, Mike

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Lucy Crompton-Reid

13 Oct 13 Oct

8:13 p.m.

Definitely! It's a shame we missed it this year but thanks for flagging it up Mike, would be good to be involved in future. Cheers, Lucy On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

Hi all, I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see: http://getonlineweek.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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WereSpielChequers

8:48 p.m.

Dear Mike, I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps. Jonathan On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote:

Hi all, I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see: http://getonlineweek.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Nick Poole

8:55 p.m.

Hi all, I am following this thread with interest. A lot of libraries are doing interesting things around Get Online week, and I think it’s worth thinking less in terms of people editing Wikipedia and more in terms of using it. Obviously, edits is a metric, but I note in Martha Lane Fox’s dot.everyone initiative that they talk as much about giving people reasons to go online as they do giving them the skills to create web content. I think that it would be worth thinking about partnering up with the library network on ‘Introduction to Wikipedia’ sessions telling people about the scope, how to search etc. Ideally this would serve as an on-ramp for people wanting to become editors further down the line! All best, and happy to discuss further. Nick Poole Chief Executive Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals (CILIP) From: Wikimediauk-l [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of WereSpielChequers Sent: 13 October 2015 13:49 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week Dear Mike, I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps. Jonathan On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel <email@mikepeel.net<mailto:email@mikepeel.net>> wrote: Hi all, I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see: http://getonlineweek.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org<mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ________________________________ Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. http://www.mailguard.com.au Report this message as spam<https://console.mailguard.com.au/ras/1N0QkmxHeJ/4zkBXAkxe6YjQasqywAeRm/1.726>

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Thomas Morton

9:01 p.m.

Getting people to understand how to interact with Wikipedia *properly* as a reader has always struck me as the most important thing. Because people sometimes don't apply the sort of critical thinking needed. An encyclopaedia is nothing if it's content is not *useful*. For this reason (and I feel it is often overlooked in favour of encouraging interest groups to engage and edit, a worthy goal) I've always thought that we should spend a lot more time engaging with readers. Because that's an easier step. And from a large pool of great, critical thinking, readers will come the casual and committed editors needed to grow the corpus. Tom On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 at 13:55 Nick Poole <Nick.Poole(a)cilip.org.uk> wrote:

Hi all, I am following this thread with interest. A lot of libraries are doing interesting things around *Get Online *week, and I think it’s worth thinking less in terms of people editing Wikipedia and more in terms of using it. Obviously, edits is a metric, but I note in Martha Lane Fox’s dot.everyone initiative that they talk as much about giving people reasons to go online as they do giving them the skills to create web content. I think that it would be worth thinking about partnering up with the library network on ‘Introduction to Wikipedia’ sessions telling people about the scope, how to search etc. Ideally this would serve as an on-ramp for people wanting to become editors further down the line! All best, and happy to discuss further. Nick Poole Chief Executive Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals (CILIP) *From:* Wikimediauk-l [mailto:wikimediauk-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *WereSpielChequers *Sent:* 13 October 2015 13:49 *To:* UK Wikimedia mailing list *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Get Online Week Dear Mike, I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task. I have twice trained non computer users at editathons I was helping at, on one occasion I spent an inordinate amount of time teaching someone how to use a mouse. My preference is that we leave "introducing people to the internet" to people who are experienced at that sort of training, and we focus more on cross training existing wikimedians and on those who are willing to help Wikipedia or at least want to fill one of our gaps. Jonathan On 12 October 2015 at 18:39, Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote: Hi all, I've just discovered that this week is 'Get Online Week', see: http://getonlineweek.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Online_Week It's too late for this week, but for next year perhaps we should think about offering some sort of 'intro to Wikipedia' courses? Probably more 'how to read' rather than 'how to edit', given the target group here. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk ------------------------------ Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering. http://www.mailguard.com.au Report this message as spam <https://console.mailguard.com.au/ras/1N0QkmxHeJ/4zkBXAkxe6YjQasqywAeRm/1.726> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Michael Peel

14 Oct 14 Oct

2:42 a.m.

Hi all, It's worth remembering that editathons weren't originally intended to recruit new editors - they were aimed at bringing together experienced editors with knowledgable people (e.g. museum creators) to improve Wikipedia articles using the knowledge of both groups. The change to focus on new editors came along later (although I'm not sure exactly when!). Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about providing leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to find information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that event attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that could easily be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have more experience than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain the most relevant information in the most accessible way possible. Thanks, Mike

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Gordon Joly

3:57 a.m.

On 13/10/15 13:48, WereSpielChequers wrote:

I think the target group is significant here. My suspicion is that editing Wikipedia is not an entry level computer task.

Indeed. I have sat in on sessions in community centres, teaching and helping to teach. Image manipulation (using The Gimp) and Mediawiki. I created a Mediawiki and used it on a community project in 2006. I tried to get the group to document and archive their work. Success rate? I guess about 5% (and then the project ended). :-) Those with entry level computer skills had a hard time. Gordo

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leutha＠fabiant.eu

4:56 a.m.

This sounds like a great idea, let's do it. I am not sure that a WIkiproject <Wikipedia:WikiProject%20Council/Proposals> work for this. Is there a better way to approach things? all the best Fabian aka Leutha

Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about providing leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to find information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that event attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that could easily be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have more experience than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain the most relevant information in the most accessible way possible. Thanks, Mike _______________________________________________ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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Michael Peel

25 Oct 25 Oct

2:22 a.m.

Hi Fabian/Leutha, It would need some sort of working group arrangement, whether that's a wikiproject or otherwise. The crucial factors are identifying who is interested in helping with this type of project, and making sure that the relevant stakeholders from the other charities/groups are also included. I can help with this, but I really don't have the time to take a lead to make this happen. Would anyone be interested in volunteering to lead this? Thanks, Mike

On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:56, leutha(a)fabiant.eu wrote: This sounds like a great idea, let's do it. I am not sure that a WIkiproject <wikipedia:WikiProject%20Council/Proposals> work for this. Is there a better way to approach things? all the best Fabian aka Leutha > Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about providing leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through how to find information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister projects, and how to determine whether to trust it? If, of course, that's something that event attendees and organisers would find useful. This is something that could easily be done in cooperation with other charities/groups that have more experience than WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain the most relevant information in the most accessible way possible. > > Thanks, > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia UK mailing list > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk

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leutha＠fabiant.eu

6:20 p.m.

Hi all, I suppose I am in a similar position to Mike: I would help out, but I have to much other stuff on to take the lead. all the best Fabian aka Leutha

On 24 October 2015 at 19:22 Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net> wrote: Hi Fabian/Leutha, It would need some sort of working group arrangement, whether that's a wikiproject or otherwise. The crucial factors are identifying who is interested in helping with this type of project, and making sure that the relevant stakeholders from the other charities/groups are also included. I can help with this, but I really don't have the time to take a lead to make this happen. Would anyone be interested in volunteering to lead this? Thanks, Mike > > On 13 Oct 2015, at 21:56, leutha(a)fabiant.eu > > <mailto:leutha@fabiant.eu> wrote: > > This sounds like a great idea, let's do it. I am not sure that a > WIkiproject <wikipedia:WikiProject%20Council/Proposals> work for this. > Is there a better way to approach things? > > all the best > > Fabian > aka Leutha > > > Rather than running our own events for new internet users, how about > > providing leaflets to 'Get Online' events that walk people through > > how to find information and multimedia on Wikipedia and its sister > > projects, and how to determine whether to trust it? If, of course, > > that's something that event attendees and organisers would find > > useful. This is something that could easily be done in cooperation > > with other charities/groups that have more experience than > > WMUK/Wikimedians at onlining people, to make sure they contain the > > most relevant information in the most accessible way possible. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediauk-l@wikimedia.org> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > >

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Gordon Joly
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