Hi all,
Thanks Lewis and Richard for reaching out regarding this particular IP
block off-list. The wider technical issue is that Global block import
bot imports Meta softblocks as local hardblocks, which would cause more
unintentional blockage in the future as MediaWiki blocks become more
granular.
To clarify, I did not attempt to edit the minutes themselves. I was trying
to fill in the internal links to other pages on the wiki that were set up
in anticipation of such an internal link, e.g.
From a MediaWiki technical perspective, I would think the best way to
control editions of important documents like minutes and election results
would be to apply page protection to those pages, such that only current
staff and trustees (and possibly a handful of seasoned volunteers) can edit
them.
--Deryck
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 23:29, Katie Crampton <katie.crampton(a)wikimedia.org.uk>
wrote:
Hi Lewis
We certainly do not publish documents with any form of signature on them,
as can be seen with our Annual Accounts which have the text version of the
signatories’ names.
The minutes do not require a signature for approval so this does not apply
here. I’m not suggesting that a seasoned editor not be able to edit
minutes, I’m requesting the staff team be bought into the discussion as how
are we to know that it’s a seasoned editor with good intentions unless
we’re regularly checking those pages, and as our minutes go back many years
this seems an unreasonable undertaking. Ergo, an email conversation should
be part of the process.
Thanks for your concerns, all reasonable.
Hope everyone’s enjoying tonight’s results!
Best
Katie
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On 7 Jul 2021, at 23:15, Lewis Cawte <lewiscawte(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
I do hope we're not keeping the "signed" authoritative copy of legal
documents on the wiki. If we are, these should be page protected and
properly noted with the correct template until we can take a long hard look
in the mirror at our file keeping.
Meeting minutes are legal documents once they have been approved and
signed by the meeting chair. In the case of an AGM, this approval is
generally the next AGM. The page on a wiki itself notes that the minutes
are a draft and have not been approved. Should they not be approved because
of a very controversial internal link added by a seasoned contributor,
these can be amended. I'd like to think we're a little more open as a
chapter and a movement that's based on the principles of free and open
knowledge than to shun help from our valued people who are simply trying to
aid readability.
The issue Deryck is describing is technical, if the report is correct, and
needs to be sorted by Jarry1250 (or whoever has taken over the bot
maintenance), and Deryck needs to follow the steps
<https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/User:Global_block_importer_bot> listed on
the bot's user page for an unblock.
-- Lewis Cawte
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 22:28, Katie Crampton <
katie.crampton(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
To be fair minutes for meetings shouldn’t be able
to be edited by general
editors anyway.
I don’t really understand the issue you’ve described Deryck, but minutes
of AGMs are legal documents that we need auditors and the membership to
approve, so it’d be grand if edits can be suggested to a member of staff
such as myself or Lucy as common practice rather than made to the page
itself.
Many thanks for highlighting the issue though.
Best
Katie
Sent from my iPhone
On 7 Jul 2021, at 20:36, Lucy Crompton-Reid <
lucy.crompton-reid(a)wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
Hi Deryck
I'll ask someone to look into this tomorrow. In the meantime, feel free
to ping me the links and I will add them in.
Thanks for flagging this up.
Lucy
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 at 19:17, Deryck Chan <deryckchan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I've just tried to edit the WMUK wiki to add a few internal links to the
2020 AGM minutes but saw that I was blocked due to a block imported by the
global block importer. I had logged in.
On further investigation I realised that there's a WM global softblock
on my IP range, but the WMUK wiki imported it as a hardblock. Can this be
adjusted?
--Deryck
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