Thanks Fae, especially the link to the recent development of 3d files.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2017/05#Preparing_for_3D_models_on_Commons

Nearly there!

Robin

On 25 October 2017 at 10:23 Fæ <faewik@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a slight tangent from YouTube, but it is unfair to say "no
progress". As per Rex, when the encoding is assessed as open* then
there is plenty of interest to ensure Wikimedia Commons accepts the
new standards. More generally there was a big discussion on Commons (2
years ago I think) about whether to allow MP4 encoded video, the
community came to a consensus to stick to a firm compliance to open
standards. If there is something to push on, it would be having easier
and better transcoding tools. Something that has been on the wish-list
for a long time, but never made a priority for WMF dev.
Examples of new file formats being allowed include hosting 3D models,
still under some final discussion on the Commons Village Pump, and the
change to allow MP3 audio files.[1][2]
BTW, within YouTube, videos are always made available in webm format,
so a really smart import does not even need to do any transcoding.
Anyone wanting to invest some technical time in it should explore the
YouTube API which is well documented.[3] I would do more on this, but
I only have one lifetime.
(*) Open is subject to interpretation. It's complex, so sometimes it
is worth making a proposal somewhere like the Commons VP and seeing
what happens. Sometimes the issue is complex enough that the best way
of proceeding is to get a handful of people together to discuss the
details over a pizza in a hackathon, and then come back to the wider
community with facts and recommendations.
Links
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T3790
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115170
https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/
Fae
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On 25 October 2017 at 02:22, Rex X <freezetag@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Commons does not allow "normal video file types" because many of them contain
proprietary coding.
Part of our mission is to encourage the growth of open resources and that
includes open software and open standards. Commons takes that seriously and it's
important that we do as well. Even if it seems inconvenient at times.
--
Rexx
On 24 October 2017 at 13:51 John Lubbock <john.lubbock@wikimedia.org.uk>
wrote:
Is the plan to transfer them from YouTube via Video2Commons? In the past,
I've found that this tool often fails. It really is a shame that no
progress has been made on allowing normal video file types.
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On 24 October 2017 at 10:50, Michael Maggs <michael@maggs.name> wrote:
Change at You Tube would be best actually, but I'd understood from your
message that for whatever reason S4C have not managed to change the
publicly visible You Tube licences.
Shall we discuss in more detail off list?
Michael
On 24 Oct 2017, at 10:39, Robin Owain <info@cymruwales.com> wrote:
Thanks Michael!
You recommend OTRS rather than change at You Tube? OK, I'll take your lead
on this and email you asap.
Many thanks
Robin
On 24 October 2017 at 10:29 Michael Maggs <michael@maggs.name> wrote:
Yes I can help.
To ensure the videos aren't challenged on Commons we'll need formal
confirmation from an authorised person at S4C to be sent to OTRS. If you
could privately let me know details of the person who could provide the
necessary confirmation I can draft a suitable email for them to send to
OTRS. The uploaded files can then be tagged appropriately so that users
don't start deleting them based on what they can see on YouTube.
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