Hi Jan-Bart and others,

I would hope we can wait until we hear the results of the review before jumping to the conclusion that what has gone on is "highly irregular" (which incidentally, clearly is an accusation of wrong doing). There are certainly allegations that have been made that are of serious concern but I would hope people are able to wait to see the evidence and the report before assuming they are well founded.

In the meantime, everyone involved is clearly going through a very difficult time so I hope we are able to pull together, work through this and we can come through a stronger chapter at the end.


On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede@wikimedia.org> wrote:

It doesn't work like that, as I indicated there have been some (highly) irregular activities in the past months (which is not the same as what you state below). The timing is such that a decision on Payment Processing (which is indeed not the same as fundraising or applying to the FDC, but is actually quite separate) had to be made now. After what I know was a lot of consultation both ways this is the conclusion that we arrived at.

Please don't read more into this than that. Its not a power grab and its not an accusation of wrongdoing, its what we feel is the right thing to do under the difficult circumstances.

(oh and payment processing is actually work, it does not get done automatically)

Jan-Bart de Vreede
Wikimedia Board of Trustees

On 29 Sep 2012, at 19:07, Katie Chan <ktc@ktchan.info> wrote:

> On 29/09/2012 16:28, Jan-bart de Vreede wrote:
>> Hi James (and others)
>> What I find puzzling in your reasoning is that you automatically assume
>> bad faith on the part of the WMF. At this point everyone should be
>> concerned about the fact that over the past months we have had several
>> (highly) irregular activities within the UK chapter. It is important
>> that we (as in the movement) conduct a thorough review to see what the
>> complete facts are so that we can make sure that we can learn from this
>> and draw proper conclusions.
> Woah, hold it right there Jan-bart. What *I* find puzzling is how you (personally and WMF in general) assumes that Wikimedia UK has done wrong before this supposedly independent review has started never mind been completed.
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